First of all I am not here to apologize for what some, no, a few, wish I would apologize for.
I will apologize for not being able to deliver the board that I promised you I would when I asked you all to come here. I wish I could have, I fought like hell to get it, but it did not happen.
I will also apologize, to “most” of the members, both active and inactive, for adding to the “tension” of the board while trying and working hard to get you the board I promised you.
That is as far as the apologies go. I did nothing wrong to deserve this “ban”. I simply started a thread to discuss not liking Soccer. That and SF's personal crusade to get rid of me.
I'm sure the “powers that be” will have plenty to say, but frankly those opinions no longer mean anything to me. Simply because in order for me to care about those opinions, I would have to respect the people making them----- and I don't.
This all started when I started to realize that we were losing members, quite a few. I talked to some, I got E-Mails from others and PM's from still others as to the reasons they were leaving. The bottom line was that the board to them had become out of balance. So I took it to the other Mod's and was laughed at. I used numbers, showed them examples, even shared some of the e-mails and PM's and was still told I was crazy. About the same time I also noticed that many of the people leaving were people that had a problem with a certain “power” to be.
At any rate, one of the other mod's finally did see the light, saw and acknowledged the problem --- but had no solution, and frankly I didn't have one either, but I knew we needed to do something.
We all wanted the board to grow, but frankly no body other than me was recruiting new members, then the killer was being told that if the people didn't like it, they should go somewhere else, because all viewpoints would be heard here.
No trying to fix it, no acknowledgment of there even being a problem... just hard ass, “they don't like it they can leave”.
Same response any time I tried to broach the subject.
So I set out on a quest to show them just how lopsided this board had become. I tried to use the same tactic of sarcasm and baiting that they had been using for well over 2 years to show them (“the powers that be”) what it was like to be on the other end.
Oh my, they didn't like that at all. It became a constant battle on the mods board, and frankly I was out maned always 2 to 1 and sometimes 3 to 1. But I vowed to them that they would not run me off as they had done with so many others, as I had to much invested in this board. This of course led to more acrimony and name calling.
I was called to the woodshed on many occasions to be dressed down, for this, that or the other thing. Hell, I was called there one time by the owner and when he was questioned “why” for days he would not or could not tell the other mods why! To this day he can't explain why he did that. But it became apparent that there was a goal and a plan and an agenda. First without warning, I was removed from being a mod, no notice, no communication just poof. Trust me it isn't a big deal, but the personalization and behind the back crap is what pisses you off.
So as we proceeded forward and I would post they would respond, they would post, I would respond. Doing nothing more than trying to show them what they had been doing to others. There was and has been a large double standard at work here for about the last year or so. One of the mods knows it, acknowledged it, and tried to be a peacemaker. But it always fell apart, cause I wouldn't back down from them. So this led to the double standard, that's in play to this day.
Which now brings us to this current state and “THE BANNING”. Here are the facts and I invite anyone to verify and check me on it.
In which I made a post (read the thread) where I said - “Is this crap finally over?” And then after being sarcastically ridiculed on a “personal level” by the 2 “powers to be” ,,, several other posters chimed in expressing the same dislike for soccer that I did. And so I replied
“Oh but I express my opinion of soccer and it's a foul.
Yep, no double standard around here. And you're a mod, shame on you.
I love how ALL opinions are welcome, as long as they are in line with the mighty few.”
and that's when the crap hit the fan for several pages after that.
The gist of it was (paraphrasing) “If you don't like the thread don't post in it” and “why bother to crap on other peoples topics” – So I'm thinking ok, not sure why this reaction cause all I ever heard was that ALL viewpoints were welcome, as long as you didn't attack the person which I hadn't done at all.
But ok. I'll wait for the WC to be over and then some of us could talk about why we dislike soccer, so I posted the thread......... I guess you can't disagree with a thread topic anymore, if it's a positive thread about NASCAR(baseball or any other subject) and if you don't like NASCAR you better not post your dislike in the thread... and ---- despite what SF has written--- it was the thread that got me banned. No warning, just woke up and I was banned, no reason given, no communication, no notice--- here is the message I got.....
“You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified”
And all the while the owner professed that since this was personal between he and I that Jukin would be the judge and moderate our problems and handle any discipline.
Must have said it 10 times---- but of course that never happened either.
Fresh can hate baseball and say so, Blitz can say he feels the same way about baseball that I do about soccer.... and Zep agree with me and that's ok,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but when I say it, it's “threadcapping” or some other bullshit phrase they want to use.
All of this because I then started a thread, after the WC was over, so people that didn't like soccer could express themselves.
BUT SF decided what my “intent” was. (they know what my intent was, hell, I thought I made it pretty clear in the title, I hate soccer and I started a thread to discuss such)
But the banning was only due to the double standard and their looking for a way to address “the MD” issue as they call it.
He/They decided what I REALLY meant! LMAO. They DECIDED that the thread was nothing more than an attempt by me to bait.
What bullshit.
I'm not allowed/supposed to post an opposite view within a thread and I can't start a opposite view soccer thread? ---------------- but all points of view are welcome. Right.
I broke no rules, none.
But he/ they don't and haven't liked my “style” for awhile now. So since I didn't/don't break any rules they attack me personally. That's their MO, most of the time it was always behind closed doors, now they have let you see it. The difference with me and how their tactics have worked in the past is that I won't just slink away. I never called anybody names, but they do. Hell just in that thread he called me an “asshole” and a “dick”. And they are tame compared to what he called my behind closed doors.
I may attack posts, but I never attack the poster on a personal level -- but they do. I may be sarcastic about a pov or a post--- but I am not sarcastic personally about posters. (unless I am attacked first)
Here is the bottom line.... this used to be a great board, the intent, for me, was to make this board the best on the net. I brought over or recruited 135 good members, me alone! And now that number is down to 53 (it had already dropped dramatically before I started my campaign..... despite any bullshit they may decide to type) as I type this, with only about 15 regular posters.
And frankly yes it does piss me off to watch this happen. One of the mods knows this, and has acknowledged it, he also has seen and acknowledged the double standard I refer to, but unfortunately he has been put in the middle of this crap. God how I wish this board could be what it once was and what the intent of it was, it's sad.
So I will stay around until the next time they get pissed off and decide to ban me again. But I won't change my view that I can hate soccer and say so, I can hate golf and say so, I can hate anything I want to, and even express it in any thread I choose to.......... and if they want to ban me, they surely can do it.
What I do or have done broke no rules.
They keep saying ALL views are welcome.... but they aren't, not if it's something they don't agree with.
Most of you have known me for over 10 years of posting on these message boards, you know who I am, I have met many of you and even some of your families. You know the guy you have been seeing here for the last year or so isn't the real me, it was forced and now you know why.
And you also know that I won't be bullied and I won't back down and I say what's on my mind. Despite what they write-- it is all about censorship.
As I said this won't be a back and forth for me(send me a pm or an e-mail), I'm not going to get into a discussion about it, I know the truth.
SF admitted a while ago on the mods board that this was personal. He doesn't like me and I don't like or respect a liar.
The bottom line it was and is personal with him---- I broke no rules..... None.
So now he can say what he want's, I doubt very seriously if I will bother to respond, because quite frankly, IMO, he would need a co-signer to pay cash. And I really don't care what he has to say.
I wouldn't believe him if his tongue came notarized.
So the real bottom line is I don't care about this board anymore, not the members, but the way it's run. Without having the passion or emotional investment any more I won't care where this board heads anymore.
I appreciate the support from all the e-mails I have received and once again I apologize for not being able to give you guys the board I promised you would get if you came here.
End Rant!
I will apologize for not being able to deliver the board that I promised you I would when I asked you all to come here. I wish I could have, I fought like hell to get it, but it did not happen.
I will also apologize, to “most” of the members, both active and inactive, for adding to the “tension” of the board while trying and working hard to get you the board I promised you.
That is as far as the apologies go. I did nothing wrong to deserve this “ban”. I simply started a thread to discuss not liking Soccer. That and SF's personal crusade to get rid of me.
I'm sure the “powers that be” will have plenty to say, but frankly those opinions no longer mean anything to me. Simply because in order for me to care about those opinions, I would have to respect the people making them----- and I don't.
This all started when I started to realize that we were losing members, quite a few. I talked to some, I got E-Mails from others and PM's from still others as to the reasons they were leaving. The bottom line was that the board to them had become out of balance. So I took it to the other Mod's and was laughed at. I used numbers, showed them examples, even shared some of the e-mails and PM's and was still told I was crazy. About the same time I also noticed that many of the people leaving were people that had a problem with a certain “power” to be.
At any rate, one of the other mod's finally did see the light, saw and acknowledged the problem --- but had no solution, and frankly I didn't have one either, but I knew we needed to do something.
We all wanted the board to grow, but frankly no body other than me was recruiting new members, then the killer was being told that if the people didn't like it, they should go somewhere else, because all viewpoints would be heard here.
No trying to fix it, no acknowledgment of there even being a problem... just hard ass, “they don't like it they can leave”.
Same response any time I tried to broach the subject.
So I set out on a quest to show them just how lopsided this board had become. I tried to use the same tactic of sarcasm and baiting that they had been using for well over 2 years to show them (“the powers that be”) what it was like to be on the other end.
Oh my, they didn't like that at all. It became a constant battle on the mods board, and frankly I was out maned always 2 to 1 and sometimes 3 to 1. But I vowed to them that they would not run me off as they had done with so many others, as I had to much invested in this board. This of course led to more acrimony and name calling.
I was called to the woodshed on many occasions to be dressed down, for this, that or the other thing. Hell, I was called there one time by the owner and when he was questioned “why” for days he would not or could not tell the other mods why! To this day he can't explain why he did that. But it became apparent that there was a goal and a plan and an agenda. First without warning, I was removed from being a mod, no notice, no communication just poof. Trust me it isn't a big deal, but the personalization and behind the back crap is what pisses you off.
So as we proceeded forward and I would post they would respond, they would post, I would respond. Doing nothing more than trying to show them what they had been doing to others. There was and has been a large double standard at work here for about the last year or so. One of the mods knows it, acknowledged it, and tried to be a peacemaker. But it always fell apart, cause I wouldn't back down from them. So this led to the double standard, that's in play to this day.
Which now brings us to this current state and “THE BANNING”. Here are the facts and I invite anyone to verify and check me on it.
- There was a soccer thread started http://philly.sportscolumn.com/showt...t=12187&page=3
In which I made a post (read the thread) where I said - “Is this crap finally over?” And then after being sarcastically ridiculed on a “personal level” by the 2 “powers to be” ,,, several other posters chimed in expressing the same dislike for soccer that I did. And so I replied
“Oh but I express my opinion of soccer and it's a foul.
Yep, no double standard around here. And you're a mod, shame on you.
I love how ALL opinions are welcome, as long as they are in line with the mighty few.”
and that's when the crap hit the fan for several pages after that.
The gist of it was (paraphrasing) “If you don't like the thread don't post in it” and “why bother to crap on other peoples topics” – So I'm thinking ok, not sure why this reaction cause all I ever heard was that ALL viewpoints were welcome, as long as you didn't attack the person which I hadn't done at all.
But ok. I'll wait for the WC to be over and then some of us could talk about why we dislike soccer, so I posted the thread......... I guess you can't disagree with a thread topic anymore, if it's a positive thread about NASCAR(baseball or any other subject) and if you don't like NASCAR you better not post your dislike in the thread... and ---- despite what SF has written--- it was the thread that got me banned. No warning, just woke up and I was banned, no reason given, no communication, no notice--- here is the message I got.....
“You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified”
And all the while the owner professed that since this was personal between he and I that Jukin would be the judge and moderate our problems and handle any discipline.
Must have said it 10 times---- but of course that never happened either.
Fresh can hate baseball and say so, Blitz can say he feels the same way about baseball that I do about soccer.... and Zep agree with me and that's ok,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but when I say it, it's “threadcapping” or some other bullshit phrase they want to use.
All of this because I then started a thread, after the WC was over, so people that didn't like soccer could express themselves.
BUT SF decided what my “intent” was. (they know what my intent was, hell, I thought I made it pretty clear in the title, I hate soccer and I started a thread to discuss such)
But the banning was only due to the double standard and their looking for a way to address “the MD” issue as they call it.
He/They decided what I REALLY meant! LMAO. They DECIDED that the thread was nothing more than an attempt by me to bait.
What bullshit.
I'm not allowed/supposed to post an opposite view within a thread and I can't start a opposite view soccer thread? ---------------- but all points of view are welcome. Right.
I broke no rules, none.
But he/ they don't and haven't liked my “style” for awhile now. So since I didn't/don't break any rules they attack me personally. That's their MO, most of the time it was always behind closed doors, now they have let you see it. The difference with me and how their tactics have worked in the past is that I won't just slink away. I never called anybody names, but they do. Hell just in that thread he called me an “asshole” and a “dick”. And they are tame compared to what he called my behind closed doors.
I may attack posts, but I never attack the poster on a personal level -- but they do. I may be sarcastic about a pov or a post--- but I am not sarcastic personally about posters. (unless I am attacked first)
Here is the bottom line.... this used to be a great board, the intent, for me, was to make this board the best on the net. I brought over or recruited 135 good members, me alone! And now that number is down to 53 (it had already dropped dramatically before I started my campaign..... despite any bullshit they may decide to type) as I type this, with only about 15 regular posters.
And frankly yes it does piss me off to watch this happen. One of the mods knows this, and has acknowledged it, he also has seen and acknowledged the double standard I refer to, but unfortunately he has been put in the middle of this crap. God how I wish this board could be what it once was and what the intent of it was, it's sad.
So I will stay around until the next time they get pissed off and decide to ban me again. But I won't change my view that I can hate soccer and say so, I can hate golf and say so, I can hate anything I want to, and even express it in any thread I choose to.......... and if they want to ban me, they surely can do it.
What I do or have done broke no rules.
They keep saying ALL views are welcome.... but they aren't, not if it's something they don't agree with.
Most of you have known me for over 10 years of posting on these message boards, you know who I am, I have met many of you and even some of your families. You know the guy you have been seeing here for the last year or so isn't the real me, it was forced and now you know why.
And you also know that I won't be bullied and I won't back down and I say what's on my mind. Despite what they write-- it is all about censorship.
As I said this won't be a back and forth for me(send me a pm or an e-mail), I'm not going to get into a discussion about it, I know the truth.
SF admitted a while ago on the mods board that this was personal. He doesn't like me and I don't like or respect a liar.
The bottom line it was and is personal with him---- I broke no rules..... None.
So now he can say what he want's, I doubt very seriously if I will bother to respond, because quite frankly, IMO, he would need a co-signer to pay cash. And I really don't care what he has to say.
I wouldn't believe him if his tongue came notarized.
So the real bottom line is I don't care about this board anymore, not the members, but the way it's run. Without having the passion or emotional investment any more I won't care where this board heads anymore.
I appreciate the support from all the e-mails I have received and once again I apologize for not being able to give you guys the board I promised you would get if you came here.
End Rant!
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