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  • #16
    What Jason Whitlock wrote is so dead-on it's not even funny. You have black kids on the street killing other black kids over property that they don't even own. But let's make a big deal over comments by some old white guy. Hell walk down the street on any given day and you will hear worse.

    Zepster is right. Listen to most rap on the radio and you will hear shit 10x worse than what Imus said. Not that I think what he said was right. Never liked the guy much and what he said was idiotic. But it's a sad day in this world to hear a basketball team whine about a few words when you have people struggling on the street with this crap every day.
    FRESH > cancer

    I hate everything the Cowboys stand for. If you think they are America's team, then you support everything that is wrong with America. The excess, the greed, the lack of maturity, the lack of responsibility, the lack of control. - Luzinski's Gut

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    • #17
      I hate radio "djs". The stuff on WYSP in the afternoons is just retarded. Is it the Kidd Chris show or Barsky? Just absolute crap. One asshole saying something not funny while another laughs hysterically. But the thing is, they wouldnt be around if there were no ratings. Society IS going to hell, but that's because of stupid ass peopele, not Imus. (Although Imus is a douchebag.)

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      • #18
        Originally posted by tinopuno
        Seriously:



        Less Seriously:

        As far as comparisons between Imus' verbal offenses and those of many "rappers", I offer a solution. The most offensive shock jocks and "rappers" would be assembled in a mixed group each month. One would be chosen randomly and then executed, as a subtle hint that society at large might appreciate it if they'd clean up their act.

        I wonder how long it would take for that message to get through?



        Yeah, so where is the LESS serious part?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by sfphillyfan
          Jason Whitlock is lights out.
          I agree, and when stuff like this comes up, it's nice to see someone who sees the bigger picture and not just a tiny piece of it. And yes, he will cash in as well, but at least he brings some other attributes.

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          • #20
            I always wanted to be a Whigger.
            http://shop.cafepress.com/content/global/img/spacer.gifOK, let's try this again...

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            • #21
              As I posted on another board, to paraphrase: It is on the citizenry to raise the level of civility in discourse. The media will then reflect it. Not PC, just civility. Turn away from the "lowest-common-denominator" type discussion and such. (Does that make any sense?)

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              • #22
                It would have been nice to see during the Rutgers press conference a black man in a cowboy outfit, jump out and ask,"Where all the white women at?"
                Pedro

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                • #23
                  I didn't say it but I'm onboard with Whitlock here.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Pedro
                    It would have been nice to see during the Rutgers press conference a black man in a cowboy outfit, jump out and ask,"Where all the white women at?"
                    :
                    "Philly fans are great....It's the only place where you pull up on the bus and you've got the grandfather, the grandmother, the kids and the grandkids - everybody flicking you off. At other stadiums, they give you the thumbs-down. Here, they give you the middle finger.”
                    — Michael Strahan

                    "No one likes us, no one likes us, no one likes us, we don’t care, we’re from Philly, F—-ing Philly, No one likes us, we don’t care!”
                    - Jason Kelce with the best championship speech ever

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                    • #25
                      More from Whitlock dated April 11, 2007.

                      http://sports.aol.com/whitlock/_a/time- ... 1509990001

                      Time for Jackson, Sharpton to Step Down
                      Pair See Potential for Profit, Attention in Imus Incident
                      By JASON WHITLOCK
                      AOL
                      Sports Commentary

                      I’m calling for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, the president and vice president of Black America, to step down.

                      Their leadership is stale. Their ideas are outdated. And they don’t give a damn about us.

                      We need to take a cue from White America and re-elect our leadership every four years. White folks realize that power corrupts. That’s why they placed term limits on the presidency. They know if you leave a man in power too long he quits looking out for the interest of his constituency and starts looking out for his own best interest.

                      We’ve turned Jesse and Al into Supreme Court justices. They get to speak for us for a lifetime.

                      Why?

                      If judged by the results they’ve produced the last 20 years, you’d have to regard their administration as a total failure. Seriously, compared to Martin and Malcolm and the freedoms and progress their leadership produced, Jesse and Al are an embarrassment.

                      Their job the last two decades was to show black people how to take advantage of the opportunities Martin and Malcolm won.

                      Have we at the level we should have? No.

                      Rather than inspire us to seize hard-earned opportunities, Jesse and Al have specialized in blackmailing white folks for profit and attention. They were at it again last week, helping to turn radio shock jock Don Imus’ stupidity into a world-wide crisis that reached its crescendo Tuesday afternoon when Rutgers women’s basketball coach Vivian Stringer led a massive pity party/recruiting rally.

                      Hey, what Imus said, calling the Rutgers players "nappy-headed hos," was ignorant, insensitive and offensive. But so are many of the words that come out of the mouths of radio shock jocks/comedians.

                      Imus’ words did no real damage. Let me tell you what damaged us this week: the sports cover of Tuesday’s USA Today. This country’s newspaper of record published a story about the NFL and crime and ran a picture of 41 NFL players who were arrested in 2006. By my count, 39 of those players were black.

                      You want to talk about a damaging, powerful image, an image that went out across the globe?

                      We’re holding news conferences about Imus when the behavior of NFL players is painting us as lawless and immoral. Come on. We can do better than that. Jesse and Al are smarter than that.

                      Had Imus’ predictably poor attempt at humor not been turned into an international incident by the deluge of media coverage, 97 percent of America would’ve never known what Imus said. His platform isn’t that large and it has zero penetration into the sports world.

                      Imus certainly doesn’t resonate in the world frequented by college women. The insistence by these young women that they have been emotionally scarred by an old white man with no currency in their world is laughably dishonest.

                      The Rutgers players are nothing more than pawns in a game being played by Jackson, Sharpton and Stringer.

                      Jesse and Al are flexing their muscle and setting up their next sting. Bringing down Imus, despite his sincere attempts at apologizing, would serve notice to their next potential victim that it is far better to pay up than stand up to Jesse and Al James.

                      Stringer just wanted her 15 minutes to make the case that she’s every bit as important as Pat Summitt and Geno Auriemma. By the time Stringer’s rambling, rapping and rhyming 30-minute speech was over, you’d forgotten that Tennessee won the national championship and just assumed a racist plot had been hatched to deny the Scarlet Knights credit for winning it all.

                      Maybe that’s the real crime. Imus’ ignorance has taken attention away from Candace Parker’s and Summitt’s incredible accomplishment. Or maybe it was Sharpton’s, Stringer’s and Jackson’s grandstanding that moved the spotlight from Tennessee to New Jersey?

                      None of this over-the-top grandstanding does Black America any good.

                      We can’t win the war over verbal disrespect and racism when we have so obviously and blatantly surrendered the moral high ground on the issue. Jesse and Al might win the battle with Imus and get him fired or severely neutered. But the war? We don’t stand a chance in the war. Not when everybody knows “nappy-headed ho’s” is a compliment compared to what we allow black rap artists to say about black women on a daily basis.

                      We look foolish and cruel for kicking a man who went on Sharpton’s radio show and apologized. Imus didn’t pull a Michael Richards and schedule an interview on Letterman. Imus went to the Black vice president’s house, acknowledged his mistake and asked for forgiveness.

                      Let it go and let God.

                      We have more important issues to deal with than Imus. If we are unwilling to clean up the filth and disrespect we heap on each other, nothing will change with our condition. You can fire every Don Imus in the country, and our incarceration rate, fatherless-child rate, illiteracy rate and murder rate will still continue to skyrocket.

                      A man who doesn’t respect himself wastes his breath demanding that others respect him.

                      We don’t respect ourselves right now. If we did, we wouldn’t call each other the N-word. If we did, we wouldn’t let people with prison values define who we are in music and videos. If we did, we wouldn’t call black women bitches and hos and abandon them when they have our babies.

                      If we had the proper level of self-respect, we wouldn’t act like it’s only a crime when a white man disrespects us. We hold Imus to a higher standard than we hold ourselves. That’s a (freaking) shame.

                      We need leadership that is interested in fixing the culture we’ve adopted. We need leadership that makes all of us take tremendous pride in educating ourselves. We need leadership that can reach professional athletes and entertainers and get them to understand that they’re ambassadors and play an important role in defining who we are and what values our culture will embrace.

                      It’s time for Jesse and Al to step down. They’ve had 25 years to lead us. Other than their accountants, I’d be hard pressed to find someone who has benefited from their administration.

                      2007 America Online, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
                      2007-04-11 11:38:00

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                      • #26
                        PhillyJack: Is this Whitlock's original column regarding this mess, or is this an additional column?

                        While this is one man's opinion, it is very hard to argue against his logic in presenting it. But there will be someone who will attempt to do so. Nothing wrong with that.

                        I do not defend Mr. Imus' comments/MO or that of any other so-called "shock-jock". He exercised poor judgement, putting it mildly. Who can really say that his apologies are insincere, though? I can't. As Mr. Whitlock stated, he did go to Rev. Sharpton's show to convey his apology.

                        There are some people who might think that the Revs. Jackson and Sharpton are still highly relevant, and some who do not. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. As Mr. Whitlock says though, just look at the record. That tells the story.

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                        • #27
                          "The Rutgers players are nothing more than pawns in a game being played by Jackson, Sharpton and Stringer."

                          By the way, here's part of the transcript from the presser:

                          As a coach, I love them and I cherish them and I appreciate the opportunity to prepare them for the world and prepare them for life. We are preparing them for leadership roles in society. It's never just been a basketball game here for us at Rutgers. It's always been about life. We were so excited, my staff and I, to talk to the recruits because what they saw was a group persevere and beat Duke on Duke's floor. They saw a team that heard people say if you're going to succeed you have to face Michigan in front of 15,000 people. And then they said you have to take on the mighty Duke just to get to the finals. And then face mighty LSU that beat Tennessee a week earlier. Everyone said it wasn't possible with this group of five freshmen and five upperclassmen but this was a group that broke all kinds of NCAA records in defense. They showed the world it's not about where you come from but where you're going. It's not about where you start but where you finish. They have restored my confidence and faith as a coach. I respect that their parents would entrust their daughters to me.

                          Coach K would be proud of that recruiting spiel.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Whitlock
                            Hey, what Imus said, calling the Rutgers players "nappy-headed hos," was ignorant, insensitive and offensive. But so are many of the words that come out of the mouths of radio shock jocks/comedians.

                            Imus’ words did no real damage. Let me tell you what damaged us this week: the sports cover of Tuesday’s USA Today. This country’s newspaper of record published a story about the NFL and crime and ran a picture of 41 NFL players who were arrested in 2006. By my count, 39 of those players were black.

                            You want to talk about a damaging, powerful image, an image that went out across the globe? "
                            That sort of sums up my feelings........ it's time people started to look at the big picture and not just a few words some shock jock yodels on about.

                            And this seems about right to me also, at the very least a lot more logical then what we see all the time----------

                            Originally posted by Whitlock
                            "We have more important issues to deal with than Imus. If we are unwilling to clean up the filth and disrespect we heap on each other, nothing will change with our condition. You can fire every Don Imus in the country, and our incarceration rate, fatherless-child rate, illiteracy rate and murder rate will still continue to skyrocket.

                            A man who doesn’t respect himself wastes his breath demanding that others respect him.

                            We don’t respect ourselves right now. If we did, we wouldn’t call each other the N-word. If we did, we wouldn’t let people with prison values define who we are in music and videos. If we did, we wouldn’t call black women bitches and hos and abandon them when they have our babies. "

                            If we had the proper level of self-respect, we wouldn’t act like it’s only a crime when a white man disrespects us. We hold Imus to a higher standard than we hold ourselves. That’s a (freaking) shame. "

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                            • #29
                              PhillyJack: Answered my own question. Found the link to the original editorial. Thanks anyway!

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                              • #30
                                Sorry guys but Whitlock is wrong. Stringer did not do a recruiting spiel. She spoke in coaches speak like ever other coach out there. Pat Summit would have done the same. Hell Bobby Knight would defend his players. Stringer has a long history of success not only at Rutgers but Iowa as well. He is attacking the wrong person. If he wants to blast Jackson and Sharpton then so be it. But attacking a coach defending her players is garbage.
                                I miss Philly!

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