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Old 04-19-2019, 06:15 PM   #1
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Former Eagles scout talks potential targets for Philly in the 2019 NFL Draft
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By Brandon Lee Gowton@BrandonGowton Apr 19, 2019, 11:09am EDT
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Former Philadelphia Eagles scout and current NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah (Mike Mayockís replacement at NFLN) held a conference call on Thursday to talk about next weekís 2019 NFL Draft.

Jeremiah has some unique insight into how the Eaglesí front office thinks given that heís worked with both Howie Roseman and Joe Douglas, so itís always worth hearing what he has to say. Jeremiah answered some questions directly about the Eagles and also touched on draft prospects that could interest Philly.

The case for trading back
Jeremiah opened his call with a statement on the quality of this yearís draft class.

You kind of look at it from a 30,000-foot view here, I think that thereís 15 to 16 players that everybody in the league kind of agrees are the top guys, and then after that once you get to 17, 18, all the way to 50 or 60, theyíre in all different order there. So it creates a lot of uncertainty of whatís going to happen in the back half of the first round, which will be fun. And as we stand right now, it still looks like Kyler Murray to me will be the first overall pick, but thatís not nailed down, so thereís a little bit of drama still left at the top of the draft. Itís a historically good defensive line group and I think weíll see that reflected in the first 15 picks of this yearís draft.

The Eagles could easily trade down (and try to pick up a third-round selection?) if theyíre not crazy about their options at No. 25. There are plenty of mock scenarios where you get to the Eaglesí pick and youíre just not over the moon about whoís left on the board.

Defensive tackle options at No. 25
Q. From a pass rushing perspective, it seems like thereís not going to be a lot of guys that last third of the first round, but do you think thereís an opportunity for the Eagles to kind of target a guy that might be a versatile guy that can play defensive tackle and defensive end in that range?

DANIEL JEREMIAH: Yeah, in terms of the back end of the first round?

Q. Yeah.

DANIEL JEREMIAH: Yeah, I mean, look, youíre going to find different guys. Somebody that can play inside and outside. I look at somebody thatís primarily going to be playing inside like Jerry Tillery kind of falls in that. He falls in that range as somebody that can get to the quarterback. He would just do it from an inside alignment. You can look at guys, weíre looking at pure pass rushers, but an interesting name is a guy like Dexter Lawrence, where does he fill in. Yeah, he doesnít rush the passer, he hasnít had an opportunity to rush the passer that much, but when youíve got edge pressure and youíve got somebody on the inside that can create some pocket push, thereís some value for somebody like that who can have an impact as a pass rusher without necessarily winning with quickness or getting it done himself. He can impact it in that regard. Heíll have an interesting decision to make if Jeffery Simmons were to somehow fall down there, who I think can move up and down the line of scrimmage, but again, youíve got to wait out the injury coming off the ACL and see where he is at that point in time.

Itís not hard to envision the Eagles coming away with one of Tillery, Lawrence, or Simmons at No. 25. I think Tillery would be preferred due to his pass rush ability. DJ makes an interesting case for Lawrence in that he wouldnít be a dynamic pass rusher himself but the 6-4, 342 pound behemoth could potentially help free up other defensive linemen around him. I donít think the Eagles will be drafting Simmons so early due his injury and character concerns.

Eagles draft philosophy
Q. In knowing Howie Roseman and Joe Douglas, how would you describe their draft philosophies and what do you make of the fact that almost all Howieís first-round picks have been on the line?

DANIEL JEREMIAH: Yeah, I think thatís one thing they have in common. I think people try and say whatís the difference. Thatís one thing they share is building in the trenches, and that was something that having been with Joe in Baltimore, and that was something that was preached there, and having been with Andy and Howie, that was something that was shared -- I believe was shared in Philly. I think they have a lot in common in that regard. I think when you look at Joe, Joe is big on the player, not just the person -- the person, not just the player. Really, really digging on those guys and finding out who are the real tough guys. Thatís something thatís kind of been his calling card as a scout for a long time. And you can look at some of the guys theyíve picked, kind of thatís a key ingredient to them. Howie, the thing thatís great about Howie is he understands the value. He understands kind of the board in terms of supply and demand at certain positions. He understands how to move around and just maximizing your value, and being able to say, Hey, I know we like this guy, but we can move, we can still get him or we can get somebody else we like just as much, and we can get a little something extra. Heís just very good at kind of seeing the big picture and having a draft day strategy. But I do think they have a lot more in common than people maybe realize in that they believe in building big. You start with the big guys and you go from there.

I say it all the time: the Eagles won the Super Bowl in 2018 when they had the best offensive and defensive lines in the league. We should always expect them to invest premium resources in the trenches.

Running back options for the Eagles
Q. After the first round the Eagles have two picks in the latter part of the second round, 53 and 57. What do you think the running back crop is going to look like at that point in the second round as far as guys that could be good fits for their scheme?

DANIEL JEREMIAH: Yeah, I mean, I think itís going to be kind of the sweet spot. I think youíll see some running backs kind of go in the late second, early third round. You look at Damien Harris from Alabama, I think he kind of fits that bill. Itís kind of whatever style you want. I think the real intriguing name which has some risk, you talk about medical, just because of the number of injuries that Rodney Anderson from Oklahoma has had, but his upside is tremendous. You can go watch him in the game against Georgia in the bowl game last year and you can kind of see what he is. He is a tremendous player. But that would be kind of a wild card. And then in that bottom second, I think thatís probably where the conversation comes in with Justice Hill from Oklahoma State whoís just pure speed. You bring in a Jordan Howard to kind of have a power guy. Theyíve got to find a way to get more explosive, and thatís where somebody like that would make some sense tome. And I think most people have him in the third-round range. But bottom of the second round, I think itís fair to have that conversation with a guy like Justice Hill who would make some sense there. I thought early on in the process you might have a chance to see the Penn State running back at that point in time in Miles Sanders, but thereís just too much juice on him. Thereís too much heat. Thereís too many teams that like him. I think heíll likely be off the board at that point in time.

Q. How high do you think Miles Sanders can go? What team or teams would be an ideal fit for him?And I guess how impressed or surprised were you with him at the combine?

DANIEL JEREMIAH: Yeah, heís just done a really good job. I would even just start with what he did in the fall. Having to wait his turn and then to play like he did, and then deliver in the postseason the way he has, he hasnít really had a misstep once he got his chance. You like to see that from him. In terms of how high he could go, Iíd say itís unlikely that he goes in the bottom of the first round. It wouldnít totally shock me. A team like the Rams, that might surprise some people considering who they have in Todd Gurley, but theyíve done a lot of homework on running backs. Maybe thatís a scenario where they trade back if they looked at that position. But Iíd say thereís a slim chance he could go bottom one, but I do think heís a lock to go in the second round, and I would anticipate heís somebody that goes in the top 40 to 50 picks. I think youíll see him go in the first part of the second round. He wonít have to wait too long.

The Eagles hosted Hill on a pre-draft visit so heís on their radar to some extent. Taking him at the bottom of the second seems rich, though.


Itís interesting to hear DJ confident that Sanders will be gone before the Eagles pick at No. 53 and No. 57.

Josh Jacobsí stock dropping?
Q. In your first mock draft back in January you had Josh Jacobs going No. 5 to the Bucs. Now heís not among your top 32 picks. Whatís the reason for that or is it just overlooking something?

DANIEL JEREMIAH: No, good question. Iím glad you asked that because I think a lot of people wonder about that. Early on in the process, I go off of -- these teams havenít assembled yet. You donít know where they have players. We still have also to see what happens in free agency. Thereís so much that changes. So on an early mock draft, a lot of times if I donít have any intel, I just go, Hey, this is a player Iím high on, and Iíve been a Josh Jacobs guy from the jump. Heís still in my top-10 overall players, how I rank them. But as you go deeper into mock drafts, you start hearing things. You start talking to people with teams. You start talking to people who know people. You follow whoís spending time with players. You just get more information. And the way I try to explain it is for the most part, I try and do my mock drafts with my ears based off what Iím hearing, and I do my top-50 list off my eyes, what I think of a player.So I personally think Josh Jacobs is one of the 10 best football players in this draft, and I can say that while also saying I donít believe heís going to go in the top10. I think heís likely to go in the 20s or the 30s when itís all said and done. But thatís why when I looked at that team, Ronald Jones being a big disappointment and still having a need at that spot, I thought, man, this guy is plug and play and heíd be a great fit for that football team. But as you go through the process, you realize, okay, what Iím hearing does not match up with them taking him at that point in time

Iíve been wondering if Jacobs could experience a 2017 Dalvin Cook-like fall into the second round. Cook ultimately made it to pick No. 41. Maybe Jacobs starts falling and the Eagles go up and get him in the second?

More running back options
Q. Iím curious what you see the strengths and weaknesses are of two guys: Dexter Williams from Notre Dame and Darrell Henderson from Memphis.

DANIEL JEREMIAH: Sure. Two good players. Letís start with Dexter. Missed games due to suspension, but once he got out there, heís got some home run ability. He didnít run quite as fast as I thought he would, but in the high 4.5s, but he runs hard. Heís got a little bit of a higher pad level, which is something heíll have to work on, but you see the big-time burst. I like the fact heís effective in pass protection. Thatís going to be big, especially in that offense. That helps him out a little bit there. Henderson is a true home run hitter. He presses the hold, no nonsense, and heís got a lot of top-end speed. He plays much faster than the 4.49 he ran. Heís a little bit stiff, but he runs lower to the ground. Heís got good vision, and heís just more of a hit-it guy than Dexter. I have Henderson over Dexter Williams, and I think when itís all said and done, heíll end up going over him.

Henderson, who came to Philly for a pre-draft visit, is a popular target among Eagles fans. He could be a real nice complement as lightning to Jordan Howardís thunder.

Little worry about Hollywood
But I can tell you a player like Hollywood Brown, people are very confident. I talked to a general manager thatís sworn that they feel 100 percent confident heíll return to what he was and their doctors were fine with him.

DJ has the Eagles selecting Marquise Brown at No. 25 overall in his latest mock. Apparently there isnít a ton of concern about his Lisfranc injury. DJís sentiment matches up with ESPNís reports that Brown should be ready for training camp.

Surprise first round safeties?
Thornhill is -- heís a player that I really like. Heís somebody that he can play safety, he can play corner. I like him as a pure free safety. I think thatís his best spot. I know he can drop down and cover if you want him to, but I just loved his range. In a draft where weíve got a lot of guys that can play down low and can be force players, heís somebody -- I just like his ability to play in the middle of the field, to range around and make a bunch of plays that way, and thatís what gets me excited about him. Now, the concern is youíre going to have to live with some fly-by missed tackles. Thatís going to be part of it. And some teams, thatís why they just say, Weíre going to put him at corner, they have concerns about him in the run game, they feel like they can eliminate some of that with him playing corner. Just for me personally, I think pure free safeties are hard to find right now. They can play over the top, and thatís where I would put him.

The Eagles brought Thornhill in for a pre-draft visit. Thereís some speculation he could ba surprise first round pick.

Q. I was wondering about like a lot of teams talk about like the evolution of the safety position and how theyíre looking for guys that can pretty much do everything back there, and with that in mind, I was wondering about two guys in particular in Nasir Adderley and Darnell Savage and how they fit that mold.

DANIEL JEREMIAH: Savage is, Iím glad you brought him up, because thereís no player thatís got more steam and momentum right now in this draft than Darnell Savage. Teams love him, love him to the point where I would not be surprised if he found his way into the first round. The only thing heís lacking is just kind of ideal size, a little bit undersized, but he ran 4.3, he plays to that 4.3. Iíve done more work on him, and Iíll have to do my last update here, I think that will come out next week, heíll be in my top 50, having watched a little bit more and you get a chance to see him, the things he can do, lining up all over the field and that versatility youíre talking about. Ohio State game is fantastic. I would say absolutely heís a top-40 pick, and I think heís got a real chance to sneak into the first round when itís all said and done. Teams love Darnell Savage. Adderley, Iím a big Adderley fan. I think heís taken on a little bit of water in the postseason just being nicked up, didnít get a chance to run as fast as he had hoped running a 4.62. I have him in the second-round range.I think thereís a chance he might slip into the third round. But I value him there in the second, and I love his competitiveness, his toughness. I like him as a free safety. Some teams like him as a nickel. Itís going to depend on who picks him, how his role evolves and develops, but I think heís a darned good football player.

Philly hosted Savage on a pre-draft visit as well. It feels like the Eagles could try to get an eventual Malcolm Jenkins replacement on Day 1 or Day 2.
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Thanks. The one thing I do not believe in is value in an injured player. I understand the reasoning the he should've been a top 10 or top 15 or whatever. But he isn't and the reason he isn't is that he is injured. The doc can say he should be able to be back to 100% but there is no guarantee of that. The other issue IMM is that lots of top 10 or top 15 picks don't make it even when healthy and attending all the camps. So don't take a chance on an injured one.
End of rant. Simmons may be great but I go for a more sure thing or someone that can help you this year.
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Thanks. The one thing I do not believe in is value in an injured player. I understand the reasoning the he should've been a top 10 or top 15 or whatever. But he isn't and the reason he isn't is that he is injured. The doc can say he should be able to be back to 100% but there is no guarantee of that. The other issue IMM is that lots of top 10 or top 15 picks don't make it even when healthy and attending all the camps. So don't take a chance on an injured one.
End of rant. Simmons may be great but I go for a more sure thing or someone that can help you this year.
I totally agree ND. We've tried several times with that and failed every time that I can remember.
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The injured player thing has never really worked out for the Eagles. I really like Simmons but that ACL means he will not play in 2019. I just don't see us taking that risk in round 1. Now if he is there in round 2 I can see Howie pulling the trigger.

Lisfranc Injuries on a Speed receiver no thank you. Those just keep coming.

The Eagles need to get contributors in this draft that can start eventually. I think WR, S and OT should be the first three picks.

WR - Nelson is not going to get paid here. DeSean is probably a two year deal and maybe the same with Alshon. Need to develop another guy.

OT - Everyone knows that Peters is a FA, but nobody realizes that Big V will be a FA to. JM would be a great story but.... OT is the most important need on this team right now.

S - Sendo and McCloud both are on 1 year deals and Malcolm is 32.

Get me one of DK Metcalf, NKeal Harry, Riley Ridley, Paris Campbell, Kelvin Harmon or Hakeem Butler at WR

Thornhill, Aderdley, Gardner-Johnson, Savage or Hooks at Safety

Tytus Howard, Cody Ford, Andre Dillard, Kaleb McGary & David Edwards all interest me at OT.

Some of the above are first round types some are 2nd to me all them help now and in the future.
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Well I'm going to jinx the hell out of him but Malcomb must be some kind of freak because I've never even seen him limp off the field. Every time I check defensive snaps it's got 100% next to his name. Maybe he'll play forever? I'm not saying he's Dawkins but he sure is the leader of this team.
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