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Old 04-08-2019, 12:12 AM   #1
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By Dave Zangaro April 05, 2019 12:45 PM
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Itís a gloomy Friday in Philly, but Iím trying to have a little fun.

I asked you guys for some questions on Twitter and asked that they be fun ones. Some of you obliged. As always, thank you.

Hereís the first bunch:


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How about an #Eagles mailbag today? Shoot over your questions, but let's make them fun ones for a Friday/weekend.


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Realistic Carson Wentz contract extension. __ years, ____ mil, _____ guarenteed

Hereís what I came up with: 5 years, $159 million, $100 million guaranteed, $45 million signing bonus.

Now, Iíll show my work. This contract would give Wentz an APY of $31.8 million, the second-highest APY in the league behind Aaron Rodgers ($33.5M) and ahead of Matt Ryan ($30M). I think thereís a chance the signing bonus is slightly lower to allow for an option bonus somewhere in that contract. The Eagles have used team options a lot in recent contracts and it might not be a terrible idea to have a kill switch on this deal, especially considering Wentzís injury history.

Hereís a look at Rodgersí and Ryanís most recent deals:

Rodgers: 4-year extension, $134M, $98.2M guaranteed, $57M signing bonus

Ryan: 5-year extension, $150M, $100M guaranteed, $46.5M signing bonus

Either way, heís going to be in that ballpark with Rodgers and Ryan. You can argue Wentz doesnít deserve to be based on his body of work, but heís going to get paid a huge sum of money and the salary cap rises each year. The current CBA is also scheduled to run out after the 2020 season, which could change everything and even possibly lead to an uncapped 2021.

I know some folks have wondered if Wentz will take some sort of hometown discount like Tom Brady has for years. Itís just unfair to ask him to do that and would really be frowned upon by the NFLPA. When these kinds of deals are made, they set the market for other players. If the Seahawks redo Russell Wilsonís deal before Wentz, it could potentially reset the market again.
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If that’s the money then I’m out guys. Draft a QB in the first round this year that you like and move on. I know that sounds drastic but I cannot see a way to win consistently paying one guy a 1/6 of your salary cap.

Again I get it that sounds drastic but I can’t do it especially based on his injury history and the obvious flaws in his game. He is good to very good but Wentz is not Pat Mahommes who is a freakish athlete. This sort of money would be a real wing and a prayer type of deal.

If he won’t taje a bit less to help build around him then move him.
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Old 04-08-2019, 10:27 AM   #3
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Just to throw this out there...

Nick Foles signed for 4 years 88 mil, 50 mil guaranteed. I'm still not sure I wouldn't take Nick at this rate, and the additional player salaries that could be had given the difference, if Wentz is going to get 5 years 160 and 100 mil guaranteed. That's a hell of a lot of money to work with, and it's a team sport.
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Just to throw this out there...

Nick Foles signed for 4 years 88 mil, 50 mil guaranteed. I'm still not sure I wouldn't take Nick at this rate, and the additional player salaries that could be had given the difference, if Wentz is going to get 5 years 160 and 100 mil guaranteed. That's a hell of a lot of money to work with, and it's a team sport.
I trust the Howie and Carson to find a way to make it work. The Patriots and Brady have cheated their way around this for years now.

I'm 100% positive that Kraft is depositing money into off shore accounts under the name Randall Stevens.
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I think that you guys are nuts but I guess that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Look how long Cleveland and Buffalo have looked for quarterbacks. Do you want to draft a Borttles or Tanehill for 5 years until you realize that they suck and you are still in QB Hell???? You have to face it fellas, that is the price of doing business in the NFL these days. It's only going up from here. !! He's one of the top 5 and you want to get rid of him? Watch what happens to Nick down there in Jacksonville. We've seen that show before. I'm finding this conversation hard to believe. I say sign him now before these contracts go through the roof when legal gambling is allowed and salary caps zoom with the next bargaining with the league. Then you will have plenty of money to sign whoever else you want. I can't believe my ears hear.
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The cap will keep going up, presumably.

Also... right now, Wentz is in his last rookie year, and we have the fifth year option, and we'd certainly use the franchise tag on him. Those would all be less than the predicted contract year values -- so if we sign him now, some of those dollars would have to be priced in, perhaps making the annual average lower. The Eagles could tack a couple very high dollar final years on a contract to increase the APY to get above Ryan, possibly, without really affecting the current values. The cap hits in earlier years would most likely be below (and possibly well below) 30 million. I don't think there is any problem coming in below Rodgers' deal, but the Ryan deal did reset the market some.

Additionally, we have been paying a fair amount for our QBs on the cap already. The deal would probably be an additional 10-15 million of cap that we are not spending on QBs, so you would have to find that somewhere, along with always having cheap rookie (or vet-minimum) backup QBs. That is difficult but not necessarily devastating.

If we are lucky, Wentz will eventually take the approach of Brady, of adjusting his deals so that he's generally in the top 10 list, but without feeling the need to be at the top. But I think this first deal will probably need to be substantial. Whether it happens this season or next, not sure.
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It is a lot of cash but I'm not sure people if people are shopping in the lot of cash area of the store or if they think there is a bargain area. Did anyone not just see numbers like 330 million and 400 plus million just thrown out.
You can keep paying the Chase Daniels of the world or you can go all in. I don't know if Wentz will be all world or not. Personally, both Wilson and Mahomes are quality QBs but I'm not putting either in the all world category on their own. Much like Rodgers, without a quality supporting cast they can't do it alone. Wentz is the same way. I think we forget watching some of the AMAZING s*** he did his first year.
I was and am a believer in Nick but the birds went all in on Wentz and I am with them. Can't run scared that he will get injured. If that is the case you better move on and live in mediocrity until you luck into another franchise level QB
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Stop using Brady as an example already. He's the only QB in the NFL who is married to someone who makes more money than he does. He takes less money because he would rather win, yes, but it's a lot easier to do that when you are married to a world famous supermodel.

I'm not sold on Wentz as a top 5 QB for one simple reason. Injuries. He's been in the league for 3 seasons. The last two of which he suffered season ending injuries that shut him down. You hand him that kind of contract and he continues to miss games like he has so far, and you will doom the franchise to the basement. While I generally agree with getting this kind of deal done as soon as you can, before the market increases, I really want to see Wentz play a full season before I hand him a 150 million dollar contract.
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Stop using Brady as an example already. He's the only QB in the NFL who is married to someone who makes more money than he does. He takes less money because he would rather win, yes, but it's a lot easier to do that when you are married to a world famous supermodel.

I'm not sold on Wentz as a top 5 QB for one simple reason. Injuries. He's been in the league for 3 seasons. The last two of which he suffered season ending injuries that shut him down. You hand him that kind of contract and he continues to miss games like he has so far, and you will doom the franchise to the basement. While I generally agree with getting this kind of deal done as soon as you can, before the market increases, I really want to see Wentz play a full season before I hand him a 150 million dollar contract.
Fair enough, I'll wait to see how durable. But you guys that are just afraid of the pricetag are going to have to realize that the price of poker has gone up. And EB, Brady took less money long before his wife was in the picture and Carr did too FWIW so their teams could prosper. Either way you have to pay for talent so it doesn't matter. There's always a way to find the money..
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Fair enough, I'll wait to see how durable. But you guys that are just afraid of the pricetag are going to have to realize that the price of poker has gone up. And EB, Brady took less money long before his wife was in the picture and Carr did too FWIW so their teams could prosper. Either way you have to pay for talent so it doesn't matter. There's always a way to find the money..
Tell that to Detroit and Baltimore. Two teams that gave franchise QB money to guys that didn't play like it.

I have no doubts about Wentz's ability to play at a very high level. I understand the economics involved. I also agree that you can't play these financial games scared. But, if you are going to hand someone a 150 million dollar contract, they better damned sight earn it on the field. If they don't, you're fucked. Period.
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