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  • #16
    Well Shipp has had a serious injury also. Missed all of 04(?)

    Not sure you can count on him anymore than Bucky.

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    • #17
      He's certainly my 2nd choice out of those two but still, I'd be moe comfortable with Shipp staying healthy for a season than Buckhalter. Bucky is an orthopedist's dream - a walking injury machine. I suspect that the trainers refer to him as their "bread & butter" at the Novacare Complex.
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      • #18
        Suggs is a real nice player. The Browns would be really dumb to let him go and keep Green. Green is semi retarded.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Eaglebreath
          Originally posted by Pedro
          Bucky will just be used by the haters to blame the lack of running game on AR depending on an injured player. Just like Simmy, Pinky, Hollis and Mahe, he will be the whipping boy for our injury list.
          Wha?? I don't see that happening at all. People have blamed the lack of a running game on the philosophy of Reid, not on any injuries. And, when you call 70% pass plays, it's hard to argue that point. I also fail to see where Simmy or Mahe have been whipping boys for the injury list. They're whipping boys because they are obviously just not good football players to be in the position they're in. Although I will say that Mahe did at least show some value last season as a punt returner.
          EB, you must've been on vacation when there were thread blaming AR for depending on Bucky to be our BIG Back in the Superbowl run.

          As for Simmy and Mahe, they were whipping boys, I only called Bucky the whipping boy for injuries. Remember how many posters blamed AR for letting the injury proned Burgess go? No matter what AR does, people spin the lack of Superbowl on two hundred different things, and certain lesser players get about 90% of the blame by many posters.......including you.

          The point is, all teams have average and injured players, but when you are average or injured in PHilly, you are thrown from the WW bridge, over, and over and over and over.......again.

          I'll never live to see a lose blamed only on the other team just playing better. Someone always has to be thrown under the bus.
          Pedro

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          • #20
            Pedro, I don't blame lesser players, or throw anyone under the bridge.

            Mahe is a decent punt returner, and knows the offense as a RB to provide some depth. But, you are not going to argue his limitations, and I hope you realize that when the PR position is upgraded, he should be gone. No knock on him. He is what he is.

            Simoneau is clearly not the player the Eagles envisioned when he was signed. He completely broke down playing in the middle, and does not have the skills to start at WiLL or SAM. He is what he is.

            And I have always thought that Buckhalter had some talent. It's just a damned shame that he's had the injury issues he's had.

            As far as Andy is concerned, I would like to see him commit to rushing the football a bit more, and I'd like to see him do a better job of getting the plays in on time, and maybe manage the clock a bit more. But, I'm sure as heck not busting the guy's balls, or throwing him off the WW bridge, man.

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            • #21
              The key is, "they are what they are". Many of the phans refuse to accept that and spent/spend countless threads expressing their hatred toward their lack of talent or ability or on their failures. And it is way over the top.

              The point to my comments was that there are several players who become whipping boys. Philly phans just have to have them. Mahe is a backup who is lucky to be in the NFL, but he tries damned hard enough to lead the league in PR's last year. Simmy did not meet anyone's expectation, but he does work hard and he plays a good backup role. Both of those guys STAY OUT OF TROUBLE. Bucky was used to blame Reid after the SB loss for us not having a run THREAT with only Westy. These guys WERE and WILL always be used as fourm fodder. Am I woring?
              Pedro

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Eaglebreath
                As far as Andy is concerned,....... I'm sure as heck not ....... throwing him off the WW bridge, man.
                If you did EB, we'ld have to line you up next to Bunkley, Walker and the rest of our muscle beach DL.

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                • #23
                  There definitely have been scapegoats and whipping boys....

                  Pinky
                  Simy
                  Mahe

                  are the big three IMO...astute fans realize that it is a 53 man roster and no team can have all-pros at every position and backup slot...they also understand that the Eagles like versatile players and, regardless of what you think of their talent, Simy and Mahe are very versatile players...Simy can play all 3 LB positions and is a good ST player....Mahe can play any RB position and also is a good ST player...Pinky is less versatile, but plays one of the most important role in the WCO: the deep threat which stretches the field with speed and allows the underneath/across the middle aspects of the WCO to work...

                  Will the team tank without them? Not at all, but they do have value and Reid wants that value...what will be interesting this year is the level of competition and Pinky's injury...I think this year's group is as deep as I have ever seen...we have LB out the ying yang to choose from and Simy will have to battle his rear end off to stick IMO...same with Mahe...with Perry, Tapeh, Westy and Moats battling for RB/FB and now Bloom/Wynn/Hood/Perry battling Mahe for return guy the fight is indeed on....if Pinky is not healthy, then he will need to be replaced and we have an absolute tankload of WR trying out this year...

                  This may also explain the interest in Gatlin...a guy with speed who can fly downfield and stretch the defense...
                  Eliminate distractions, create energy, fear nothing, and attack everything.

                  -Andy Reid

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                  • #24
                    I have been , as most of you know, a very big proponent of most of the "blame" going to players. And I really don't have a problem blasting any player. IMO, they make the giant bucks, they need to play their best everyday.

                    After saying that, it is also my opinion that guys here(not sure about other cities) get taken to the woodshed way over the "topley".

                    Just because many fans seem to feel the need to blast somebody-- and they don't want to blast their favorites so they blast role players. So they take out anger, frustration and th elike on guys that aren't marque types.

                    Look every team has their own Mahe's and Simy's---EVERY ONE OF THEM!

                    This is where a bit of trust factor comes into play, IMO.

                    The coaches want x out of their role players and that's why those guys are still there--- if they can be upgraded and still meet the coaches overall plans... they will be replaced. Other team do it different, IMO, like having specialists as opposed to generalists.

                    And each coach, IMO, has the right to decide how he wants his football team to operate........since he is going to take the heat---IMO--- he gets to make the choices... not us.

                    And that's why some of these guys (players) take so much crap......not because they are just average or that they couldn't be replaced. But because the BIG picture is sometimes overlooked and your own team is under a microscope and not being compared to the rest of the league.

                    IMO, Reids the coach so he gets to choose the Mahe's and the Simy's and the rest of the "role" players based on what and how he wants his team to operate.

                    Yes, we know Mahe isn't an NFL starter--- doesn't mean he doesn't have a role to play and/or that Reid won't find someone else that fills it better............................................ .soon!

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                    • #25
                      Good post MD....you still got the magic old man...
                      Eliminate distractions, create energy, fear nothing, and attack everything.

                      -Andy Reid

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                      • #26
                        MD, I see your point, but Simoneu wasn't brought here to be a backup and special teams player. He was brought in here to start at WILL, then was moved to MIKE when Wayne, who didn't play well either, was signed. Simoneu broke down terribly that year.

                        I think a lot of people don't like Simoneau because he was brought in to replace Barber when he left, and they tried to use him to replace a very solid player in Trotter. He's just not a very good football player, and the guys he was brought in to replace are. Not because people don't like roll players, or Reid either.

                        People also realize that Mahe is extremely limited, and I don't think it's as much a dislike for Mahe as a desire to see better RBs further down the roster. Personally, I think Mahe is fine as a backup and punt returner, but if they get an upgrade in Bloom, I'm all for it.

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                        • #27
                          Labels stick, that's all. It's nothing personal, as we don't KNOW these guys on a personal level. But the labels once earned, tend to stick....

                          Have a season where you fumble quite a bit, you are forever a fumbler, right LJ?

                          Shy away from contact at a key moment, and now people are calling you Mary Kate.

                          Get pancaked and run over, and you're too weak at the point of attack. Forever.

                          Labels, once earned, are hard to get rid of.
                          http://shop.cafepress.com/content/global/img/spacer.gifOK, let's try this again...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Eaglebreath
                            MD, I see your point, but Simoneu wasn't brought here to be a backup and special teams player. He was brought in here to start at WILL, then was moved to MIKE when Wayne, who didn't play well either, was signed. Simoneu broke down terribly that year.

                            I think a lot of people don't like Simoneau because he was brought in to replace Barber when he left, and they tried to use him to replace a very solid player in Trotter. He's just not a very good football player, and the guys he was brought in to replace are. Not because people don't like roll players, or Reid either.

                            People also realize that Mahe is extremely limited, and I don't think it's as much a dislike for Mahe as a desire to see better RBs further down the roster. Personally, I think Mahe is fine as a backup and punt returner, but if they get an upgrade in Bloom, I'm all for it.
                            EB, I agree on Simy he was brought in to be a starter, but he obviously had limitations. Mistakes do happen.

                            So we should call him names and belittle the talent level that he does have---- Cause the Eagles can't pick LB's to save their ass?

                            Was it his fault he was thrown into the MLB spot when in fact (as we can all see NOW) that isn't what he was good at?

                            But HE takes the heat, He takes the name calling, and HE takes the shots that people say he isn't a good football player.

                            And HERE is the difference I guess, IMO, --------
                            He has a role, he isn't a probowl player, but he is still good football player, at least enough of one to play at this level--- IN THE ROLE THAT AR/JJ DECIDE THAT THEY WANT HIM TO PLAY. This is all I'm sa yin.

                            All I hear is get rid of him(and Mahe), because they aren't starter material, "just upgrade" but it's that old thing, you can't have 53 pro bowlers and that brings me back to my original point--- ((Wow, what a long way to go huh? LOL))

                            Reid gets to choose who his role players are, he gets to choose the talent level and what he wants from those role players -- cause at the end of the day-- and he knows this-- he will get judged on the W's and the L's.

                            Nobody is gonna say after a losing season, "Yeah, but I'm ok with it cause he got rid of Simy and Mahe".

                            And I'll keep saying this part--- every team has their Simy's and Mahe's, even the SB champs! Belchek and Parcells and Gibbs and Cowher---- all have/had role players on their teams that THEY think are better than the guys they had a shot to replace them with. And I bet there are Cowboy fans (oxy moron) that think that the guys at spots 48 and 51 should be replaced and can't understand why Parcells just doesn't "upgrade".

                            Would I like to see Simy and Mahe upgraded? Sure,,,, BUT I always want the lower 10% of my roster upgraded, so that the team would run as I wanted it to run, and role players would all be future HOF'ers. But I never saw the point in belittling that lower 10%, not sure what it does other than to make the "belittler" feel better about themselves.

                            The bottom line is-- unless somebody really thinks weirdly--- Reid is happy with what these guys bring, and how they mesh into the whole concept of what HE wants to accomplish. Otherewise he would just be a fool!

                            So unless anybody really thinks Reid's primary goal isn't to win as many football games as possible, they would have to understand and believe that he thinks that the Simy's and Mahe's (insert any other name)are the best at the roles he wants them to fill--- or he would replace them.

                            ((((And maybe he will!!!)))))))

                            This is where that little trust factor comes into play, IMO.

                            I (have to, and willingly do) trust that Reid would replace these guys if he thought he could do better--- taking the BIG PICTURE into consideration!

                            JIMO!

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                            • #29
                              If others perform well, I can't see the Birds keeping Bucky. Only way he makes the team is if others stink & he happens to remain standing. Wonder what the odds are of that happening?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Rossovich
                                If others perform well, I can't see the Birds keeping Bucky. Only way he makes the team is if others stink & he happens to remain standing. Wonder what the odds are of that happening?
                                I wouldn't mind keeping Bucky around if a player like Tapeh steps up and can start at FB and fill in as the short yardage back. My fear (or more so a strong trepidation) though is that when we do finally write off Bucky, allowing to seek an opportunity elsewhere, he could wind up pulling a Burgess on us.

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