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    • Reid also divulged today that rookie Moise Fokou will play at strong-side linebacker along with regular starter Chris Gocong.
    • "They're both good players," Reid said. "There is a chance both of them are on the field at the same time. There's a chance one of them is on the field."
    I'm glad to see this. Big Red is trying to make it sound like Gocong isn't being demoted, but the truth will be out on the field.

    Fokou has taken some bad penalties this year, but he's also shown some tantalizing talent. I think he's the answer at SAM going forward.
    Don't kid yourself Jimmy. If a cow ever got the chance, he'd kill you and everyone you cared about!

  • #2
    I think GoCong can still be a very productive player in this league either as an OLB in a 3-4 or a situational pass rusher as a 4-3 DE.
    Whatcha Gonna Do Brother, When the Eagles run wild on you?

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    • #3
      Gocong was out of position, asked to learn SAM and produce and for the most part he has done a good job...I remain hopeful Fokou or Bradley can play SAM and Gocong can be utilized in line with his biggest strengths, playing joker DE/LB and rushing the passer
      Eliminate distractions, create energy, fear nothing, and attack everything.

      -Andy Reid

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      • #4
        This is what I was wondering about. Gocong could go back to his college position at DE if Reid believes that he is not the answer at OLB anymore. He would become a situational pass-rusher. Now, isn't his contract up after this season? They'd PROBABLY hold onto Babin as a rotational pass-rusher and let Gocong go?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by leifdawg View Post
          I think GoCong can still be a very productive player in this league either as an OLB in a 3-4 or a situational pass rusher as a 4-3 DE.
          Originally posted by Vote for Kalas View Post
          Gocong can be utilized in line with his biggest strengths, playing joker DE/LB and rushing the passer
          I know we've been over this before and I'm apparently in the stark minority, but I have absolutely no idea why people think Gocong is some sort of terrific pass rusher. The guy has four sacks in 44 NFL games.

          And yes, I know Gocong played DE in college.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by IMK View Post
            I know we've been over this before and I'm apparently in the stark minority, but I have absolutely no idea why people think Gocong is some sort of terrific pass rusher. The guy has four sacks in 44 NFL games.

            And yes, I know Gocong played DE in college.
            He led the nation in sacks as a DE in college at Cal Poly. So he must have some talent for it, although that was against inferior competition.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Browser View Post
              He led the nation in sacks as a DE in college at Cal Poly. So he must have some talent for it, although that was against inferior competition.
              So your perception of Gocong's skill set is based more heavily on his Division II college performance than his nearly three full years of NFL performance?

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              • #8
                It's hard to rack up sacks when you aren't being allowed to rush the passer. In the small amount of times he has been sent on blitzes he has been disruptive.
                Whatcha Gonna Do Brother, When the Eagles run wild on you?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by leifdawg View Post
                  In the small amount of times he has been sent on blitzes he has been disruptive.
                  I disagree.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by IMK View Post
                    I know we've been over this before and I'm apparently in the stark minority, but I have absolutely no idea why people think Gocong is some sort of terrific pass rusher. The guy has four sacks in 44 NFL games.

                    And yes, I know Gocong played DE in college.
                    You know SAM LB very rarely get opportunities to rush the passer...but when he has, from what I have seen, he has been effective...
                    Eliminate distractions, create energy, fear nothing, and attack everything.

                    -Andy Reid

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Vote for Kalas View Post
                      You know SAM LB very rarely get opportunities to rush the passer...but when he has, from what I have seen, he has been effective...
                      Seriously, what are you people watching? First off, if Gocong was some sort of terrific pass rusher, don't you think that Jim Johnson (JIM JOHNSON, for pete's sake!) would have found a way to put those skills to use? It's not like JJ was given to avoiding the blitz. Second off, we've seen Gocong play DE. Not a lot, but more than a couple times in preseason and garbage time. He's done nothing. So why do people continue to believe that he's some sort of ace pass rusher whose considerable skills are being kept under wraps by the coaches? Y'all are crazy. Gocong is a RUN STOPPING linebacker. The reason he doesn't rush the quarterback is because HE'S NOT VERY GOOD AT IT. I'm right, everyone else is wrong, end of story.

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                      • #12
                        Tell us what you REALLY think!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by IMK View Post
                          Seriously, what are you people watching? First off, if Gocong was some sort of terrific pass rusher, don't you think that Jim Johnson (JIM JOHNSON, for pete's sake!) would have found a way to put those skills to use? It's not like JJ was given to avoiding the blitz. Second off, we've seen Gocong play DE. Not a lot, but more than a couple times in preseason and garbage time. He's done nothing. So why do people continue to believe that he's some sort of ace pass rusher whose considerable skills are being kept under wraps by the coaches? Y'all are crazy. Gocong is a RUN STOPPING linebacker. The reason he doesn't rush the quarterback is because HE'S NOT VERY GOOD AT IT. I'm right, everyone else is wrong, end of story.
                          Not to disparage the dead, but JJ was very uncreative with his blitzes. He blitzed from the the safeties, the corners, and MLB, but he very rarely blitzed his outside linebackers.

                          GoCong has only been allowed blitz a handful of times each season. But when he does he usually gets pressure on the QB or opens up a hole for someone else to get a chance.

                          So you better check yo self before you rickety wreck yo self
                          Whatcha Gonna Do Brother, When the Eagles run wild on you?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by IMK View Post
                            Seriously, what are you people watching? First off, if Gocong was some sort of terrific pass rusher, don't you think that Jim Johnson (JIM JOHNSON, for pete's sake!) would have found a way to put those skills to use? It's not like JJ was given to avoiding the blitz. Second off, we've seen Gocong play DE. Not a lot, but more than a couple times in preseason and garbage time. He's done nothing. So why do people continue to believe that he's some sort of ace pass rusher whose considerable skills are being kept under wraps by the coaches? Y'all are crazy. Gocong is a RUN STOPPING linebacker. The reason he doesn't rush the quarterback is because HE'S NOT VERY GOOD AT IT. I'm right, everyone else is wrong, end of story.

                            I agree with you IMK, but I also agree with leifdawg when he says JJ never was all that interested in blitzing his outside backers, particularly the SAM backer.

                            Gocong has never shown much as a pro to indicate he could be a pass rush specialist, but his opportunities have been very few. Still, I have nothing to go on here with regards to making Gocong a pass rusher. Maybe he'd be a decent Joker, but who really knows?
                            Don't kid yourself Jimmy. If a cow ever got the chance, he'd kill you and everyone you cared about!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by IMK View Post
                              Seriously, what are you people watching? First off, if Gocong was some sort of terrific pass rusher, don't you think that Jim Johnson (JIM JOHNSON, for pete's sake!) would have found a way to put those skills to use? It's not like JJ was given to avoiding the blitz. Second off, we've seen Gocong play DE. Not a lot, but more than a couple times in preseason and garbage time. He's done nothing. So why do people continue to believe that he's some sort of ace pass rusher whose considerable skills are being kept under wraps by the coaches? Y'all are crazy. Gocong is a RUN STOPPING linebacker. The reason he doesn't rush the quarterback is because HE'S NOT VERY GOOD AT IT. I'm right, everyone else is wrong, end of story.
                              You mean the same JJ that made Simoneau the starting MLB over Trotter for half a season? Yeah..I love JJ but the last couple of years not so much. His D got way too predictable.

                              I do agree with Gocong being a run stopper. He is one of the reasons why teams haven't had a good time running the ball on the Iggs lately. Until today.

                              I don't care if he can cover a TE or not because most LB's around the league can't. The great TE's will get theirs.

                              Originally posted by leifdawg View Post

                              GoCong has only been allowed blitz a handful of times each season.
                              Gocong has never and will never be allowed blitz.
                              FRESH > cancer

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