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    Pete Carroll says expectations might have been too high in Philadelphia for DE Marcus Smith



    The selection of defensive end Derek Barnett in April’s draft pretty much spelled the end in Philadelphia for Marcus Smith. Smith didn’t do himself any favors by not reporting for voluntary OTAs.

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    Philadelphia released the defensive end in July, and he signed with the Seahawks. Pete Carroll saw an opportunity to tap into the potential talent that made Smith a first-round draft pick (No. 27 overall) in 2014.

    “We thought he had plenty of ball left,” Carroll said. “Sometimes guys go places and the expectations are so high, it’s hard to meet up with it. You get a high draft pick like that and the expectations are so high, it just doesn’t fit.”

    The high expectations clearly got to Smith. He wasn’t the only one to fall victim to the great expectations that come with being a first-round pick, especially in Philadelphia.

    Wideout Nelson Agholor had similar issues during his first two seasons after being selected in the first round in 2015. He is finally having a breakout season, but not before his career hit rock bottom.

    Smith trained with former NFL defensive lineman and pass rush specialist Chuck Smith during the offseason. Chuck Smith felt that his pupil was not put in a good position to succeed with the Eagles.

    “The way he was treated in Philadelphia was atrocious,” Chuck Smith said during an interview before training camp. You talk about breaking a guy down — from the organization on down, there were people at the end of the day that didn’t have his best interest at heart.”

    “How about going into a locker room where guys are resentful for you? You go into a building where some people want you and some people don’t. Then you become a 3-4 linebacker, then you become an inside backer — that would shake most people up. Is it Marcus or is it that his development has been stunted?” Chuck Smith added.

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  • #2
    Seriously? I have no doubt the Kelly regime did fuck him up. I never heard anything about some players wanting him or not. Maybe by guys he’s referring to coaches? Anyway, glad he’s gone, maybe they can get something out of him. Don’t know if he’s done anything this season.

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    • #3
      Let's face it, we did have too high of expectations. Not only did we expected a first round draft pick to actually get on the field but also expected him to make a tackle.
      Canada's #1 Eagles fan.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rspurr View Post
        Let's face it, we did have too high of expectations. Not only did we expected a first round draft pick to actually get on the field but also expected him to make a tackle.
        Damn Spurr you sure set the bar high!
        Stand for the flag you assholes!

        Eagles, Flyers Phillies fan since 1977. GO O'S!!

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        • #5
          I just hope that he plays a lot Sunday.
          "Hey Giants, who's your Daddy?"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by rspurr View Post
            Let's face it, we did have too high of expectations. Not only did we expected a first round draft pick to actually get on the field but also expected him to make a tackle.


            I was thinking the same thing- the guy was a fucking stiff

            "Is it Marcus or is it that his development has been stunted?” Chuck Smith added. He now has 12 tackles through 11 games.

            It's Marcus, he sucks.

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            • #7
              Marcus has 8 tackles, 2 forced fumbles and 1 pass defensed to go along with 2.5 sacks. 1st round numbers, hell no. I get the concept that he was drafted way too early which is not his fault. I don't remember effort ever being a problem.

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              • #8
                Chip never played him. But he didn't get on the field a whole lot last year either, although at that point the 3-4 scheme he was drafted for was gone, and changing schemes is never easy.

                The guy definitely had athleticism. He was actually pretty good covering guys. Getting to the passer, not so much, but he was also behind some really good players so he really had to earn his way on the field. But you'd have thought he could get into a DE rotation and he never really did with Chip.

                He didn't complain publicly or anything. I'm sure it was a weird situation behind the scenes -- it felt odd the whole time. I think he was Howie's pick that Chip hated, and he may have been caught in the middle. He certainly wasn't good enough to force his way through that though. I hope he does better with Seattle (except on Sunday).

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Vet Turf View Post
                  Marcus has 8 tackles, 2 forced fumbles and 1 pass defensed to go along with 2.5 sacks. 1st round numbers, hell no. I get the concept that he was drafted way too early which is not his fault. I don't remember effort ever being a problem.
                  The only reason that he wasn’t cut was that he was a first round pick.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rspurr View Post
                    The only reason that he wasn’t cut was that he was a first round pick.
                    I agree with you. I just think that he is finally producing something this year. It is nothing great but enough to stay on a roster perhaps.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rspurr View Post
                      The only reason that he wasn’t cut was that he was a first round pick.
                      So what was his excuse last year with the Eagles? Why didn't he report to OTAs? He's a marginal player who's hanging on with Seattle. Since when did Carroll have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for defenders? He gets steamrolled at the POA. He makes the vet minimum so he's on a roster.
                      "Hey Giants, who's your Daddy?"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Eagle60 View Post
                        So what was his excuse last year with the Eagles? Why didn't he report to OTAs? He's a marginal player who's hanging on with Seattle. Since when did Carroll have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for defenders? He gets steamrolled at the POA. He makes the vet minimum so he's on a roster.
                        He's a 3-4 OLB and the Eagles switched to a 4-3 last year. Behind some very good players who had played in a 4-3 before. He was better in coverage so maybe they asked him to be a LB rather than DE (after years where they were trying to get him to bulk up).

                        He had a guaranteed salary through last season, so there wasn't much reason to cut him unless we somehow ended up with crazy depth, which we didn't have.

                        The OTA thing was weird, but perhaps he just wanted out, and into a situation he could pick. So, force his release -- was going to happen anyways due to a roster bonus. It's entirely possible he got a really raw deal here behind the scenes. Some of it may have just been circumstances. Other teams (that better fit his skill set) will take a flier on a former first-round pick. I don't think he's going to be all that good, but I'd be happy for him if I was wrong.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Eagle60 View Post
                          So what was his excuse last year with the Eagles? Why didn't he report to OTAs? He's a marginal player who's hanging on with Seattle. Since when did Carroll have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for defenders? He gets steamrolled at the POA. He makes the vet minimum so he's on a roster.

                          I tried to keep an open mind on this guy because it was not his fault that the Bird's brain trust drafted him much too early. But when he skipped OTAs...for whatever reason... that cut it for me.

                          I'm generally pretty easy on players. I don't resent them because they make a lot of money playing a game many of us loved playing for nothing. I do hate the, mouthy "look at me" Divas like Beckham, Newton, and (in his day) Bryant.

                          As far as Smith's future, I don't wish him well and I don't hope that he fails...as I did with the fraud Canadian fireman who stole the Birds money.

                          Bottom line for Smith...Fuck him! He's not an Eagle and really never was. I do hope someone trucks his ass come Sunday night.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FairOaks View Post
                            He's a 3-4 OLB and the Eagles switched to a 4-3 last year. Behind some very good players who had played in a 4-3 before. He was better in coverage so maybe they asked him to be a LB rather than DE (after years where they were trying to get him to bulk up).

                            He had a guaranteed salary through last season, so there wasn't much reason to cut him unless we somehow ended up with crazy depth, which we didn't have.

                            The OTA thing was weird, but perhaps he just wanted out, and into a situation he could pick. So, force his release -- was going to happen anyways due to a roster bonus. It's entirely possible he got a really raw deal here behind the scenes. Some of it may have just been circumstances. Other teams (that better fit his skill set) will take a flier on a former first-round pick. I don't think he's going to be all that good, but I'd be happy for him if I was wrong.
                            Like I said, I hope that he plays early and often!
                            "Hey Giants, who's your Daddy?"

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                            • #15
                              He never was an Eagle. He was a failure. I blame Chip mostly for taking him 3 rounds to soon. He is a marginal NFL player in any scheme.
                              You know Darren if you'd have told me 10 years ago that someday I was going to solve the world's energy problems I'd have said your crazy.... now lets drop this big ball of oil out the window.

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