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  • #16
    Just a small point ND-- I think your situation (clinics and such) is a very small ase. I think most people do have Dr's they prefer, and even specialists they
    prefer. So I think it is sorta a big deal when that goes away.

    I think one of the biggest factors is what ACA mandates what insurance companies MUST do, and frankly many can't or won't and find ways to withdraw services which then dramatically raises prices.

    And you are correct, healthcare is not a right in a republic. May sound harsh, probably is, but I worked my whole life, I really do not feel compelled to fund anything more than basics to people who chose not to, get involved and stay involved in crime or drugs.

    I know bad MD.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by MDFAN View Post
      Just a small point ND-- I think your situation (clinics and such) is a very small ase. I think most people do have Dr's they prefer, and even specialists they
      prefer. So I think it is sorta a big deal when that goes away.

      I think one of the biggest factors is what ACA mandates what insurance companies MUST do, and frankly many can't or won't and find ways to withdraw services which then dramatically raises prices.

      And you are correct, healthcare is not a right in a republic. May sound harsh, probably is, but I worked my whole life, I really do not feel compelled to fund anything more than basics to people who chose not to, get involved and stay involved in crime or drugs. I know bad MD.
      Neither do I my Sheppard. Screw'em.
      "Hey Giants, who's your Daddy?"

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      • #18
        Fresh, wholeheartedly understand you are in a different situation. You are the one who needs the whole medical world so it isn't the norm I wouldn't think.
        You're right MD. I chose to use the clinic route. I could buy insurance that would cover a doc that I wanted or I could pay that fee out of pocket. But that is a choice. It isn't that I can't have my doc. It seems to me that the doc decides they don't want to work with this insur co or the insur co decides they don't want to work with that doc and people say they can't have the doc they want. But it is the doc or the insur co or the person that decides that. And, as 60 points out, states are different so I am sure that has an impact.
        I understand and fully agree healthcare is out of control. I'm not so sure that it is Obamacare as much as it is either the healthcare providers (Moffit as an example), the doctors, the insurance companies, or the pharmacuticals (sp?). The evil in me tends to think the insurance companies are the biggest culprit but I couldn't prove that point if I was asked.
        How to rein in costs is the issue. The person who makes that happen will be the hero.
        Wait until next year is a terrible philosophy
        Hope is not a strategy
        RIP

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        • #19
          The Epi-Pen deal is a great example. The medicine in the pen was past copyright or IP protection because it is pretty basic but the manufacturer changed the delivery mechanism and then got the insurers, doctors to continue to prescribe their medicine. And when the company that had created the generic tried to create the same delivery mechanism meaning literally the mechanical action that delivered the medicine injection wise, Epi sued for patent infringement and the gov sided with them. The gov was completely complicit in this. People got paid to Rule in favor of Epi and it just so happens the CEO was a relative of Joe Manchin and had been a lobbyist. So yeah that was bullshit.

          Chris Rock once said the money is in the treatment and not the cure. He is right. The pharmacy companies don't really want to cure AIDS, Diabetes, heart disease, etc. they want to create medicine that manages the disease and allows you to live with it for years. And they want to create the belief that you have a new disease like restless legs syndrome, chronic dry eye, fits of crying, chronic pain (although that one is real but not as widespread as it has become), opiate related constipation, the list goes on and on.

          And these drugs like viagra and cialis are mostly elective meaning insurance doesn't pay for them. So they market direct to consumers and hope that the consumer will convince the provider to subscribe it. And they do because there is an endless supply of free samples and hot ex college cheerleaders dragging in black bags with these samples convincing the doctors to hand them out.

          We are becoming a nation of A Clockwork Orange, drugged up milk infested, addicts and that's what pharma wants. And they get billions in subsidies to develop these drugs by the way and then pay off the FDA in huge studies to get the medicine approved so they can sell it to us for $100 a pill and in India for a dime a pill.
          You know Darren if you'd have told me 10 years ago that someday I was going to solve the world's energy problems I'd have said your crazy.... now lets drop this big ball of oil out the window.

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          • #20
            AW, one of the things that is killing me these days is drugs I take like Zarelto, Corlanor, and Rapaflo. They cost hundreds of dollars a month and there is no way around it for me. There is either no generic equal for it, or they are not "in formulary", and despite my and my doctors applications and re- applications, they won't cover them, or cover om,y a small portion. I'm very fortunate that I am not a broke assed man or I would be totally screwed. And I am generally in THE DONUT HOLE by the end of March. I don't know how others less fortunate get by.
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            • #21
              Agreed Fresh 200 percent. The bulls eye is always on the middle class with all this shit because the rich can afford it and the poor get it for free.
              You know Darren if you'd have told me 10 years ago that someday I was going to solve the world's energy problems I'd have said your crazy.... now lets drop this big ball of oil out the window.

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              • #22
                That's the truth. I would consider myself to be middle class......which simply sets me up to get railed hard. Seems anytime there is a break to be had, I have/make too much money. So I get to pay the bills for all of the lame ass no account lazy bastards who want their crap for free, while sipping their 40's on the porch at noontime. Wanna know who is making out? Take a drive around during your lunch break and check out who is hanging out on their porch. They are there every day.....but they don't wake up until around noon.
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                • #23
                  See I have to agree aw. One, that is kind of where my son and daughter in law are. Worked hard, got master's, work, raise kids, etc. So they get to pay high deductibles and high premiums. If they were 'rich' it wouldn't be as hard and if they were poor it would be covered. Second, I buy into the greed for money and power as a great problem. I don't know that it is Obamacare per se. I think it is those who are going to undermine any program so they can enhance themselves that are the problem. I spent a little time this morning praying this country can move forward to do what is right
                  Wait until next year is a terrible philosophy
                  Hope is not a strategy
                  RIP

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                  • #24
                    Nodak, I apologize for my negativity. I have been so miserable lately, I guess it comes thru in my posts. I agree with you in hoping the the country can just move on and move forward. I'm not too terribly optimistic , I'm afraid. There is a lot of division and seeming hatred floating around between both parties, and the media and Hollywood.......I don't know how we get this back on track. Nobody seems to really want to work together, and they are locked into their own agenda.
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                    • #25
                      Hey fresh no need for apologies. It is a VERY rare place or in person conversation where people who disagree can say what they feel without the other party getting frustrated and the conversation degenerating. I am no different than anyone else but have committed to trying to see all sides and recognizing why the other side sees it one way or the other. Unfortunately I also get frustrated. To say that Hillary wouldn't have followed the same path is not being honest. To say that Trump has not flat out lied many, many times this past year is not being honest. I believe "Obamacare" is a lightning rod. It isn't bad and I don't know that it is good. It is those who want to undermine that use it to rally those who don't like Obama for whatever reason they have. The issue is how do we get control over the CRAZY escalation of medical care costs. That escalation was there before Obamacare and is still there after Obamacare. And you are right. Everyone has their own agenda---especially politicians
                      Wait until next year is a terrible philosophy
                      Hope is not a strategy
                      RIP

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by NoDakIggle View Post
                        Hey fresh no need for apologies. It is a VERY rare place or in person conversation where people who disagree can say what they feel without the other party getting frustrated and the conversation degenerating. I am no different than anyone else but have committed to trying to see all sides and recognizing why the other side sees it one way or the other. Unfortunately I also get frustrated. To say that Hillary wouldn't have followed the same path is not being honest. To say that Trump has not flat out lied many, many times this past year is not being honest. I believe "Obamacare" is a lightning rod. It isn't bad and I don't know that it is good. It is those who want to undermine that use it to rally those who don't like Obama for whatever reason they have. The issue is how do we get control over the CRAZY escalation of medical care costs. That escalation was there before Obamacare and is still there after Obamacare. And you are right. Everyone has their own agenda---especially politicians

                        Make the bastards go on it and see how fast it would get straightened out.
                        "Hey Giants, who's your Daddy?"

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Eagle60 View Post
                          Make the bastards go on it and see how fast it would get straightened out.
                          Bingo.... Same with SS.

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