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  • #16
    Originally posted by NoDakIggle View Post
    You're right 60 they are all in it for themselves. MD, please 37 SC members, 16 year old voting-- all silly nonsense but let's not forget......
    That 25 mil investigation started with Russian meddling NOT collusion. It turned into collusion, and this ridiculous mess that we have now, because seven (7) Trump people lied about meetings with Russians. May have been perfectly innocent meetings BUT they lied about them. To top it off Trump lied (and later admitted it) when he said he had nothing to do with Donnie's statement that his meeting was about abortion when in fact Trump dictated and approved that message when travelling on AF One. That is the stuff that started the mess.
    I have to full belly laugh at your electoral college comment. Before the election Trump, and most on here, were fully against the electoral college. Only after winning were all great patriots on board with it. Trump even said he didn't know HOW the electoral college worked so that is why he was against it but now is for it. What stupidity.
    Here is how fake news works. CA allowed residents, not citizens but residents, to vote in school board elections. Fake news (Fox #1 by the way) puts it out that they let non residents vote in elections-- didn't say that they can't vote for office holders or that Fed Law says who can vote for fed office (which requires citizenship) just that they voted in elections. #1 CA is a state and we are made up of states and each state is free if you believe in America. So they can allow whoever they want to be able to vote in their state BUT NOT FOR fed offices. If there is credible evidence of letting non citizens vote I'd like to read it. Also don't forget the only proven voter fraud was a repub district which I thought was in NC
    Don't have time to go through all you wrote but will say that yes there is absolute far left nonsense like free everything. Just as there is absolute far left nonsense. The far side is what is wrong with those parties. But as I tell my brother please stop watching the fake news channel or, if you do, watch it with a discerning eye because they are kings of the half truth
    Just wondering which one of them is the true news channel? All any of them are doing is feeding the pawns what they want to hear and making huge amounts of money. The biggest example of this is CNN who reported independently on politics and actually REPORTED THE NEWS! All that did was make enough money to pay the bills with a small profit. Now they went far left and make a fortune. CNBC? Never heard of them until last year and now they are the leading cable news show with their extreme left news. We all know what FOX is. The "news" has turned into a money machine making it an example of capitalism at its best! I wonder if Marcus Lemonis had anything to do with it?
    Last edited by Eagle60; 03-20-2019, 10:24 AM.
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    • #17
      Yeah just keep watching the "main stream Media"--- cause that isn't bias slanted fake news at all -- LMFAO-------- hell even Ted Kopple is a believer now! And there is plenty of actual footage out there---- funny you didn't see it on the "left's" main steam media.

      Right here in MD two places let Illegals vote in non federal elections!!! WHY?

      You scoff at the 16 age thing--- it's being proposed by almost every one of the Dems running-- and Nancy Pelosi. Look it up on C-Span, not that terrible fake news Fox where you assumed it is from.

      So please stop telling me what is fake and what isn't --

      BTW the LEAST trusted institution in America right now is the MEDIA--- not Fox news. I watch them all and make my own conclusions about how much truth I am really getting and it is very little from any media site. The " media " sucks and I have been telling people right here on this board for 2 decades now just how bad it is.
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      • #18
        lol; ummmm you know full well Fox News is every bit MEDIA as any other. And I am in 100% agreement CNN is exactly the same on the other side of the mountain and that all media outlets have a bias on some side of the coin. Straight up reporting has been gone a long time. All you have to do is listen and when the start their question with how do you think or what do you think you will know it is opinion and not news.
        I know and believe the 16 years of age thing. That isn't my point. My point is it is far side nonsense. What I don't believe is that enough sane people will let it happen. You only seem to see left side nonsense.
        So Maryland let illegals (not saying in this case but that is an often misused term) vote in non federal elections. WHY?? Ummm because they can. As a state they make their local electoral rules. If a non citizen has a kid in the school system should they be able to say how the school is run?? If a non citizen wants to run for dog catcher should non citizens be allowed to vote for him?? Maybe maybe not. Myself I understand the noncitizen vote but not illegals but I don't know if either is absolutely right. What I do know is that if one believes in America one believes the state has a right to do that. If one believes in Russia then the central government determines it. Personally I believe in America and the Constitution. I have to wonder about our president who has publicly stated he believes in Putin and Kim over our own government but we're afraid to call him on that
        Wait until next year is a terrible philosophy
        Hope is not a strategy
        RIP

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        • #19
          Gimme a break you know exactly who I refer to when I say "illegals" -- people who do not have permission to be here-- they are here "Illegally" !!

          And I am not referring to the CNN's of the world, that is just too easy--- I'm talking about the ABC's, NBC's and the CBS's of the world-- have a total left bias, agenda, slant and the entire world (those who look at both sides) know it.

          Every single poll that comes out shows that appx 90 to 95% of the coverage of Trump is negative.... and yet this country is in pretty good shape. Certainly no worse than when Obozo was running the place.

          Glad we agree on the 16 year olds--- but my point isn't that it won't happen -- the point is this is the type of stuff most of the candidates on the left are running on. Pack the supreme court by raising the number (of course I said sarcastically 37, you know better than to think I was being real) I also went very big on the costs of these socialist programs to make a point... since nobody seems to know the REAL numbers.

          No new wars, ISIS is about gone, at least TALKING to NK, not seeing rockets over Gaum, appeasment has stopped. NATO countries are doing better at paying their fair share. Unemployment is the lowest ever, wages ARE rising. I could go on and on--- my point being is that While Trump is a lying, egotistical pos--- he is doing a pretty good job of running this country.

          All i see on this board for the most part is the complaints about what he sez, how he sez it, how much he lies, brags, over states (they all do and did and have done since the beginning of time)--- I do not give a shit about the facade--- I care about this country and in which direction it heads for my grand-kids. I want them to have the America I was proud to fight for, not the Socialist version the liberal left is striving for.

          Nobody here wants to discuss any issues they just want to slam the "appearances" the "emotions" the "pc'ness" rather than the outcomes. It's why I stopped coming here, that, and also I really didn't enjoy getting called names by schmucks!

          So, I'm sure I will stop coming again...... at least for awhile.

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          • #20
            Well I will apologize in that I didn't realize Maryland decided to allow illegal immigrants voting privileges; I will have to look at that. Still, not sure how that is a federal issue when it is within a states rights.
            Certainly see where the fake news channel continues with the half truths and fake news. Well over a year ago you said something about not being able to find ISIS fighters now it is ISIS is about gone. Not terribly long ago Trump said they were defeated now he says the will be gone soon. Said many times that just because the land they controlled is now controlled by Syria or whoever it doesn't mean ISIS is gone. I say just listen to the generals but we all know Trump knows more and his respect for people that actually fought isn't high. Ironically Trump can now say he went to Vietnam--just 60 years late in my mind.
            Tell me how talking to NK is different than talking to Iran? Actually, what country benefitted most from leaving that Iran deal? Maybe Israel? And NK never destroyed their facilities; foolishly someone peddled that to make himself look good. Trump got nothing in his negotiations but I'm willing to wait to see what happens in the next two years. Trump talking to NK is no different that Obama (clever name calling is certainly a page from Trump's book) talking to Iran. And I could be wrong but I don't think the missile launches and tests were conducted until he came to office. But I could be wrong on that since NK has been playing the game for 60 years or more.
            I love how everyone lauds Trump for unemployment being so low (or the stock market) yet fail to give Obozo 30 seconds in credit. Maybe someone remembers unemployment over 10% when entering office and under 5% when leaving. Now it is down 1 more percentage point and we should spew on ourselves. Right.
            I'd ask what administration negotiated NATO countries gradually upping their contributions and in what time period but we don't want to recognize Obozo for anything.
            So I am more than willing to put facts out there and discuss rather than fake news channel or Trump version since what he says really doesn't prove out as fact. I also believe in America but I believe in America for all not America for me. My guess is we believe in the same thing. We just see it differently.
            Wait until next year is a terrible philosophy
            Hope is not a strategy
            RIP

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            • #21
              Wow, sounds like your still a wounded Democrat-- rather than the Libertarian you claim to be. All I seem to hear from you is the "fake" news Fox must put out (even though I listen to all of them) and Anti Trump talking points the Dems use.

              BTW-- saying that like 40 ISIS soldiers left with a 2 square block of controlled territory is ISIS is still alive and well --- is just being trivial and dishonest.

              Want to talk points fine-- as soon as you can remove your emotional baggage and be willing to hear BOTH sides! Which I think you really do want to engage in but feel you must take some polar opposite side of. We agreed that 16 years getting the vote was a bad idea, yet you seemed to want to make a fight out of what the Dem hopefuls were saying--- because Fox may have carried the story? I have seen the videos and heard the quotes to know that most of these far left socialist ideas are being touted by MOST of the 2020 hopefuls, and should be taken seriously.

              ISIS was allowed to be created by Obozo, the guns he gave out ended up in the hands of ISIS --- and they turned into a real threat--- that Trump came in and authorized the new rules of engagement and now we find ISIS done as a serious threat. No they will never be "gone" neither will Al-Qaeda or will Hezbollah or any other groups that want to evolve. You tell Trump to listen to his generals--- yet you criticize him when he does. Typical. He wants to pull out and in his usual transparent way --- sez so out loud.... then the Generals tell him that that isn't the best move--- he listens and we don't fully pull out--- you can't have it both ways.

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              • #22
                Eh. Actually a wounded republican who still leans toward the John Kasich of the world. Criminals like Dick Cheyney and Don Rumsfeld ruined it for me but whatever. I've fully came out that the entire media is crap unfortunately it is hard to find anyone to admit that Fox is media also. I too watch Fox- Steve, Brian and Ainsley just about every morning so I try pretty hard to get other sides.
                Personally I see anyone who believes ISIS being alive and well is trivial and dishonest really is naïve. You still haven't addressed saying ISIS was gone 18 months (or so ago) or Trump crowing about their defeat. But you do admit they are not and will not be gone. The military (not Trump) was engaged and gaining ground before he became president. To say he listened to his generals and didn't pull out is absolutely dishonest. He didn't talk to one before his great pronunciation (per CENTCOM commander). His defense sec and chief of staff were opposed and both left. Brian Kilmeade berated him terribly on Fox morning show for three days as did Rush and other Fox hosts. He changed when getting beat up by them not his generals. Please.
                I have said I agree many of these candidates have said stuff like free college, 16 year old voting, etc. I'm not making a fight out of anything. Doesn't matter who carried the story (and many outfits are carrying these stories). I just say they are not serious candidates in my mind. Maybe you see them as serious or maybe it is just talking points to stir the base. Even if those people are serious candidates it is nonsense that is not getting through congress but whatever.
                Since you haven't addressed them I guess you agree there is no difference in talking to NK v talking to Iran. You see I have no problem talking to NK just like I had no problem with talking to Iran. I just wonder what happened to his proclamation that NK is going nuclear free after his first summit. Hmmm, didn't seem to happen.
                Or that he stepped into the BEST economic environment of any president since the market was rising and unemployment dropping-- it was handed to him on a plate. Or that states have the right to do what they want in their state.
                Or NATO spending. Or, or, or. Haven't mentioned what kind of pos he is for the way he talks about McCain while he hid behind his daddy's pants.
                Wait until next year is a terrible philosophy
                Hope is not a strategy
                RIP

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                • #23
                  See point was that we might discuss one point at a time, not 27.

                  As for ISIS, you never acknowledged the fact that ISIS was born from misguided Obozo. As for what Trump sez, we have had this same discussion before. Who ( at least me) the fuck cares what the egomaniacs say. I care about the country not the optics or the rhetoric. Every one of them, without exception, lies, tells half truths, exaggerates, lies by omission and almost always has an alternative agenda. ALL of them... so for anybody to think this clown is any different is just being thick or partisan. “You can keep your Dr” remember that one. Or “Read my lips, no new taxes”. Trump is really not different, just bit more frank and/or transparent about it. So for me It comes down to actions and policies.

                  And after a 70 year observation timeline what I see in today’s world is a clear division. A division that Makes it clear to me that my thought process goes way more right than left. More Conservative than Liberal... by a lot. I find the left to be very dangerous right now. I still consider myself an independent, but my policies, my beliefs, my logic...... in this spot in history ..... have shifted more right ...each and every time the the left lurches more liberal.

                  IMHO...... as I have opined for the last 25 years.... The media is mostly the cause of this. They have gone from the middle and reporting news to taking sides and trying to make news by selecting what we see and hear...... and that is scary.

                  This media is now partisan in about 85% of how they operate. Some of this is just the world and the way the info stream has developed.... other is corporate greed and some is just lost morals. Same with politicians.

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                  • #24
                    Well as I said before there is probably a lot we agree on. I just see it a little differently. I agree the far left is very dangerous right now but I see the far right-- the Steve King's, the tea party, the hate groups to be just as dangerous.
                    As for the media I have been on them as long as anyone. But I also put blame on the lazy ass country. People don't put ten seconds thought into what they hear. They take a ten second side comment and buy it. I routinely get emails from friends that just are not true but forwarded anyway. I don't hesitate to reply saying they aren't true while the vast majority just keep forwarding them. Too lazy to research anything so they just buy the half truth they hear on TV or radio or from a tweet. I can give you the name of a guy who has made his way to the top doing that very thing.
                    As for ISIS I haven't acknowledged that because I don't buy that. ISIS, in both philosophy and physical makeup, was born long before Obama. I fully acknowledge his policies helped to foment the group. Helped to grow their numbers and actions. But born under him, no they were born long before him. No different than telling me they are defeated. Just not true. They may have lost territory but they are far from dead.
                    As for politicians lying, telling half truths, spinning, etc. You're right. My take is that this guy has taken it to a new level and boldly lies to people. And people have come to accept it. I don't care who it is in office I call them on their crap. Far too many pooh pooh it off as long as it is their guy lying. But whatever, I don't see a change unfortunately because people are too lazy and really only care about themselves
                    Wait until next year is a terrible philosophy
                    Hope is not a strategy
                    RIP

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                    • #25
                      I think you maybe right in that we probably do agree on many matters and directions. I think, possibly, the difference is that you (from my POV)seem to care very much about appearance and emotion and procedures and perceptions ... whereas I care about the direction, the ideas, the results.

                      Just like our ISIS talk-- you want to nit pick my use of the word born--- Ok, so maybe "born" wasn't the best word choice.... but was that really the point? My point was that Obozo was partially responsible for the "allowance" of ISIS to become a huge pain in the ass. As for the current state, I acknowledged that these groups would never go away... but as a force at this time ISIS is virtually, not actually, not every single one, is a non current threat, so IMM they have been defeated. But you want to nit pick the words rather than the "gist" of the point.

                      Wanna talk about some of the other issues being forwarded by the left or right?
                      My guess is that talking about them 1 at a time we will discover that we agree much more than we disagree--- on the big picture!! Maybe no so much the minutia.

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                      • #26
                        eh, words matter. They are used to incite, they are used to obfuscate, etc. Can there be any doubt Trump poured over, absolutely poured over, the press release lies and his spoken words to reporters when he was on the plane dictating Donnie's lie about his meeting with the Russians. Words matter.
                        I see Obama walking into one of the absolute worst economic situations this country faced whereas Trump walked into one of the absolute best economic situations yet people spew about his handling of the economy. Unemployment down 1% during his time and the stock market up about 8k points. Both good things but both of those were mainly gained in his first year when businesses in this country were eager to spend. They were sitting on piles of cash during the last year of Obama waiting to see what happened. Over the last year not so hot. Job growth last year was good--can't say it wasn't. But 2017 had about the same or less job growth than Obama's last year in office. Last month wasn't good at all but one month is a snapshot. I hear him say (which I am not supposed to listen to what he says) that he has a deal with China but I don't hear that from China. Ag is still down, soybeans especially. In fact Trump has been bailing out soybean farmers because of their losses. But it is still to be determined. The New NAFTA. Please. First, that deal has to go through our Congress, the Canadian parliament, and the Mexican whatever. Not a guarantee by any measure. Second, it has the same pitfalls as the original NAFTA deal negotiated by George Bush and pushed through the congress by Newt Gingrich. Don't get me wrong; there are better areas for the US but there are also ones better for Canada and Mexico rather than the US. Tax cuts-- there are winners and losers; if your a winner great but losers don't see it that way. The brackets dropped 3% I believe but if you are in the 10% bracket it didn't drop so I am not sure they are thrilled. They throw out the near doubling of the standard deduction every chance they get. And also the child credit increase. They rarely tell you the individual exemption went away. So, a family of three had 12,700 plus 12,150 plus 1000 for a total of for about 25,850. Now they get 24,000 plus 2,000 for about 26,000. If you have more than one child you are losing. Now this is very basic because individual taxes vary greatly and have to be taken in depth for each person. But I think it provides a basic look at a family that has basic income. If you are something like an independent contractor that can't claim the many deductions you previously had it may be worse for you. However, there are lots of businesses and people who benefitted. My guess is that an honest look would show that those benefitting would be on the upper end of the scale though.
                        Anyway, I won't say that the economy is bad but I will say that it isn't the peaches and cream that some want to make it out to be.
                        Wait until next year is a terrible philosophy
                        Hope is not a strategy
                        RIP

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                        • #27
                          Yeah, ok, good talking points..... see ya.
                          Last edited by MDFAN; 03-22-2019, 11:59 PM.

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