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Old 01-14-2007, 04:09 PM   #11
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I punt on 4th & 15. They just went from the elation of getting the first to the dejection of screwing up. There are far fewer 15 yard plays in the playbook than 10 yard plays. And while they got that 4th & 10, it was ridiculously close to a sack. AND, the Saints were 5 yards closer to a FG after the penalty and if you don't pick it up, or god forbid get sacked, you're looking at being down 6 on your own 30 w/1:00 or down 3 on your own 40 w/1:00 left.

The question deserves to be asked, but the correct call is to punt, IMO. Either way, it's not a slam dunk.

And I don't think it's fair to say they didn't fight by punting. They fought their asses off until the final second ticked off the clock.
give them the f'n field goal and get the ball back...a touchdown still wins. you never give up the chance to control the game and that is what reid did
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Old 01-14-2007, 04:13 PM   #12
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I punt on 4th & 15. They just went from the elation of getting the first to the dejection of screwing up. There are far fewer 15 yard plays in the playbook than 10 yard plays. And while they got that 4th & 10, it was ridiculously close to a sack. AND, the Saints were 5 yards closer to a FG after the penalty and if you don't pick it up, or god forbid get sacked, you're looking at being down 6 on your own 30 w/1:00 or down 3 on your own 40 w/1:00 left.

The question deserves to be asked, but the correct call is to punt, IMO. Either way, it's not a slam dunk.

And I don't think it's fair to say they didn't fight by punting. They fought their asses off until the final second ticked off the clock.
give them the f'n field goal and get the ball back...a touchdown still wins. you never give up the chance to control the game and that is what reid did
So you're saying that it's better to have the ball with 1:00 left, down by 6, with the ball on your own 25 (the expected Reno return) rather than 1:00 left, down by 3, with the ball on your own 40 (estimate based on the Saints receiving our punt on their 20)? That's crazy talk.

Situation A - you have 1:00 to go 75 yards w/no timeouts to win
Situation B - you have 1:00 to go 25 yards w/no timeouts to tie
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Old 01-14-2007, 04:44 PM   #13
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i think we should factor into the decision that we've spent 8 quarters this season not stopping the saints offense and deuce mcallister's 7 YPC average.
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Old 01-14-2007, 04:55 PM   #14
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i think we should factor into the decision that we've spent 8 quarters this season not stopping the saints offense and deuce mcallister's 7 YPC average.
That's fair. But you should also factor in that when he racked that 7 YPC average the Eagles were geared up to stop the run AND the pass. In that situation you load up to stop the run, and therefore should expect you'd be able to do better. They didn't, of course, but that's not known at the time of the decision.
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Old 01-14-2007, 05:29 PM   #15
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I punt on 4th & 15. They just went from the elation of getting the first to the dejection of screwing up. There are far fewer 15 yard plays in the playbook than 10 yard plays. And while they got that 4th & 10, it was ridiculously close to a sack. AND, the Saints were 5 yards closer to a FG after the penalty and if you don't pick it up, or god forbid get sacked, you're looking at being down 6 on your own 30 w/1:00 or down 3 on your own 40 w/1:00 left.

The question deserves to be asked, but the correct call is to punt, IMO. Either way, it's not a slam dunk.

And I don't think it's fair to say they didn't fight by punting. They fought their asses off until the final second ticked off the clock.
give them the f'n field goal and get the ball back...a touchdown still wins. you never give up the chance to control the game and that is what reid did
So you're saying that it's better to have the ball with 1:00 left, down by 6, with the ball on your own 25 (the expected Reno return) rather than 1:00 left, down by 3, with the ball on your own 40 (estimate based on the Saints receiving our punt on their 20)? That's crazy talk.

Situation A - you have 1:00 to go 75 yards w/no timeouts to win
Situation B - you have 1:00 to go 25 yards w/no timeouts to tie
wrong...you need to factor

A - eagles get the first down and continue the drive on 4th and 15

why leave that play on the sidelines...punting gave the game away. I closed down the TV and shut off the lights and went to bed after that stupid fucking punt
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Old 01-14-2007, 05:35 PM   #16
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wrong...you need to factor

A - eagles get the first down and continue the drive on 4th and 15
Right. And teams had been 1 for 19 in that regard. So add in the 5% chance of converting that. If they blow it, then my A/B scenario remains.

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why leave that play on the sidelines...punting gave the game away. I closed down the TV and shut off the lights and went to bed after that stupid fucking punt
I've explained why you play the odds and punt, but you apparently aren't interested in going below surface level to see about it. Heck, you apparently turned the game off after the punt, so why bother trying to go deep on this with you? Go call WIP and explain how Andy Reid knows less about football than you do, because you obviously would have gone for it, gotten it, then won the game. You've apparently got it all figured out.

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Old 01-14-2007, 05:41 PM   #17
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We had our chances.

I think, most of us would have gone for it again. BUT, the defense had the chance to stop the 'aints, and they failed one last time.

It was a tough loss to swallow. No excuses. The saints beat us. Congrats to them.
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Old 01-14-2007, 06:46 PM   #18
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wrong...you need to factor

A - eagles get the first down and continue the drive on 4th and 15
Right. And teams had been 1 for 19 in that regard. So add in the 5% chance of converting that. If they blow it, then my A/B scenario remains.

[quote:f6644]why leave that play on the sidelines...punting gave the game away. I closed down the TV and shut off the lights and went to bed after that stupid fucking punt
I've explained why you play the odds and punt, but you apparently aren't interested in going below surface level to see about it. Heck, you apparently turned the game off after the punt, so why bother trying to go deep on this with you? Go call WIP and explain how Andy Reid knows less about football than you do, because you obviously would have gone for it, gotten it, then won the game. You've apparently got it all figured out.

bird is da word for Head Coach![/quote:f6644]

you are the only fool in this country who thinks punting was the right move. this was no different than 4th and 26. you take your chance. it has nothing to do with stats...converting is no guarantee but you keep your opportunities flowing if you convert...if you don't your in the same scenario as punting.
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Old 01-14-2007, 08:26 PM   #19
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wrong...you need to factor

A - eagles get the first down and continue the drive on 4th and 15
Right. And teams had been 1 for 19 in that regard. So add in the 5% chance of converting that. If they blow it, then my A/B scenario remains.

[quote:be135]why leave that play on the sidelines...punting gave the game away. I closed down the TV and shut off the lights and went to bed after that stupid fucking punt
I've explained why you play the odds and punt, but you apparently aren't interested in going below surface level to see about it. Heck, you apparently turned the game off after the punt, so why bother trying to go deep on this with you? Go call WIP and explain how Andy Reid knows less about football than you do, because you obviously would have gone for it, gotten it, then won the game. You've apparently got it all figured out.

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you are the only fool in this country who thinks punting was the right move. this was no different than 4th and 26. you take your chance. it has nothing to do with stats...converting is no guarantee but you keep your opportunities flowing if you convert...if you don't your in the same scenario as punting.[/quote:be135]

I'm not the only person that thinks punting was the right move.

This was way different than 4th & 26 in that the time on the clock was different and the game couldn't have been tied with a FG. So you're either lying or just stupid when you say that.

And you're NOT in the same scenario if you don't make it. You need a TD instead of a FG.

Really dude, you're falling apart. I hope you're really drunk or something because these pitches are straight down the plate and you're missing pretty badly.
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Old 01-14-2007, 08:30 PM   #20
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well...i am glad your method proved to be loser. it was a pussy move for pussies like yourself
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