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    Something About Alex

    Posted: August 24th, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor

    Alex Henery is a hot topic, but for all the wrong reasons. In a summer where a lot of questions are getting positive answers, the Eagles kicking situation isn’t one of them. Henery missed a FG against the Pats. This week he missed a chip shot. What’s next?

    The problem is that there isn’t an easy solution to this problem.

    Some of you wonder why Chip Kelly didn’t address this in March. Why did a very smart coach keep Henery around? I don’t know the answer. It is obvious that Kelly and STs coach Dave Fipp must feel that Henery can be a good kicker. If they didn’t see the potential, they’d have made a move. Maybe Alex talked to them about making technique changes and everyone felt that would help him. Or maybe Henery has nude photos of Kelly and Fipp in a hot tub with the Kardashians.

    My assumption, based on Kelly’s love of logic, is that they felt Henery was worth keeping because his flaws could be worked on. His kickoffs do seem better to me this summer. But now we’ve got the missed FGs. Ugh.

    I do think Kelly, Fipp and Howie Roseman erred in not bringing in better competition. Carey Spear made for a good story for about a week, but he wasn’t a great kicker in college. He’s been bad in the NFL. He hasn’t challenged Henery at all.

    But that is spilled milk. We need to focus on the problem and how to solve it or deal with it.

    Cody Parkey is a total mystery. He will have a week to show what he can do. Then he’ll get some chances in the Jets game, but who knows how many that will be. A couple of kickoffs? You wonder if Kelly would be willing to intentionally stall drives at the 25-yard line so he could get live reps for Henery and Parkey. Am I insane for even thinking that?

    Are there outside options?

    First…let’s get one thing clear. We don’t want to cut Alex Henery as some kind of punishment. You have to let go of emotions and frustration. Anyone who says “Cut him. Anybody else would be an improvement” is speaking from the heart, but not the brain. We’re all frustrated, but the worst thing the Eagles could do would be to just cut Henery for the heck of it. There are worse kickers out there.

    The whole point here is to see if there is a way to improve the situation.

    Jimmy Bama wrote about a possible solution the other day. That would be Dustin Hopkins of the Bills.

    That would leave second year kicker Dustin Hopkins on the outside looking in. Hopkins was drafted in the sixth round of the 2013 draft, and he beat out Rian Lindell for the starting job after a perfect (six for six) preseason. Unfortunately, Hopkins injured his groin, the Bills signed Carpenter, Hopkins was placed on IR, and has still yet to kick in the regular season.

    In terms of leg strength, Hopkins is everything Henery is not. In his final season at Florida State, Hopkins hit five of six field goal attempts from outside 50 yards. For his college career, he was nine of 15.

    Hopkins is also considered a weapon on kickoffs. In the Bills’ first preseason game against the Giants, Hopkins produced touchbacks on all four of his kickoffs.

    Will Hopkins be available? Per a Buffalo reporter, here is his roster situation.

    Dustin Hopkins: Do the Bills really need a kickoff specialist? Hopkins’ job depends on it. He had touchbacks on four of his six kickoffs in the first two preseason games before a groin injury sidelined him last weekend. If Hopkins is healthy enough to kick Saturday, it might be his last chance to make his case as the kickoff man. Most teams only carry one kicker, andDan Carpenter has proven capable enough on kickoffs.

    Hopkins did play against Tampa. He had 3 kickoffs. One went for a touchback.

    Can he be trusted to make field goals?

    Elliot Shorr-Parks wrote about other candidates. As he put it, it’s not pretty.

    Rob Bironas:
    Even though he is 36-years old, Bironas would certainly qualify as a “win-now” kicker. Bironas went 25 of 29 last season with the Tennessee Titans, including two of three from beyond 50 yards. Bironas does have some playoff experience, but he has gone three of five in two playoff appearances — including one miss in a 13-10 loss to the Baltimore Ravens when he was with Tennessee.

    David Akers:
    Akers is not the same kicker he used to be during his long stint in Philadelphia from 1999-2010, but he did knock in all three of his attempts from 50-plus yards last season with Detroit. Akers’ accuracy from that deep is impressive, but he forced less touchbacks than Henery did last season, which is one of the Eagles’ main problem with their current kicker. A reunion would be a nice story, however.

    Rian Lindell:
    Lindell has the strongest leg among these free agent options. The 37-year old hit four of his six attempts from 50-plus yards last season. Lindell did have his accuracy issues, however, missing four kicks between 30 to 49 yards.

    Forget about Akers. He is done as a kicker. I love the guy, but Henery is the better PK right now.

    I’m fine with bringing in Bironas. Have him, Henery and anyone else have a kicking competition at The Linc. Go with the guy who wins it.

    I am fine with the Eagles taking a chance on a young guy like Hopkins or a vet like Bironas if they feel those guys will legitimately be better than Henery. If not, we may have to wait for the offseason.

    You don’t just get rid of Henery. You need someone that can do a better job to replace him.

    Any other names out there that you guys have dug up?
    "Hey Giants, who's your Daddy?"

  • #2
    I also am not sure there is anything better out there. The birds better hope they aren't in a position where they need a FG to win a game.
    Wait until next year is a terrible philosophy
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    • #3
      Originally posted by NoDakIggle` View Post
      I also am not sure there is anything better out there. The birds better hope they aren't in a position where they need a FG to win a game.
      It's hard to believe that Bironas is out of a job. I'd take him in a NY minute over Noodleleg.
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      • #4
        As much as I hate the idea (and I'm sure I'll get some crap for it) I think the Eagles may have to carry two kickers. Henery just isn't dependable and someone like Hopkins coming off an injury is risky. Hopkins and Henery together would be fine with me. It allows us to see if Hopkins is the long term solution without depending too much on his injured groin - which according to Sam Malone, is a very painful injury.

        If they brought in Bironas he might be able to help figure out what's wrong with Henery and serve as a mentor. If he isn't willing to take on that role, then I'd go with Hopkins. Dumping Henery right now is probably the wrong move so if we're going to try to eleminate this problem without cutting Henery, I think it's going to cost us a roster spot.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jukin View Post
          As much as I hate the idea (and I'm sure I'll get some crap for it) I think the Eagles may have to carry two kickers. Henery just isn't dependable and someone like Hopkins coming off an injury is risky. Hopkins and Henery together would be fine with me. It allows us to see if Hopkins is the long term solution without depending too much on his injured groin - which according to Sam Malone, is a very painful injury.

          If they brought in Bironas he might be able to help figure out what's wrong with Henery and serve as a mentor. If he isn't willing to take on that role, then I'd go with Hopkins. Dumping Henery right now is probably the wrong move so if we're going to try to eleminate this problem without cutting Henery, I think it's going to cost us a roster spot.
          Major miscalculation by Chip and Howie here.
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          • #6
            looks like Jay Feeley is getting cut

            another old kicker with some potential

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            • #7
              Guys, reality check time...

              Henery is far from bad: his career FG% is 86 and XP % is 99+

              26-27 from 20-29 yards
              24-28 from 30-39 yards
              22-26 from 40-49 yards

              Those are 99.9% of the range of kicks a kicker gets during a season, the 50+ ones are rare and IMO accuracy is more important than pure power combined with a lack of accuracy.

              He just turned 27 so he is still young and can develop more. His depth on kickoffs has improved this preseason.

              I doubt a vet or other young kicker is going to be more consistent...we got spoiled by Akers who was probably the best kicker of his generation, but to me Henery is much less of a concern than LB, DL, CB, S, KR/PR and WR.
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              • #8
                Bironas FG% is 85.7, lower than Henery

                Feely is 82.5%, lower than Henery

                Lindell is 81.2%, lower than Henery

                Hopkins was just drafted so we have no NFL stats

                These guys are also 36+ and so injury chances rise & decline is in full swing
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                • #9
                  I disagree VFK, Henery has a habit of blowing very make-able FG's when there is pressure on him. It could be my imagination, but it sure seems like he's far more likely to miss it than most other NFL kickers when the game is on the line.
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                  • #10
                    Not sure how to really prove that theory, Juke...

                    Here are Henery's career splits
                    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...neAl00/splits/

                    One signifier of "pressure kicks" would be the final margin stat: in games that ended up between 0-7 pt difference, his FG% was 81 compared to games of 8-15+ where he had a combined avg of 88.4 FG%.

                    Another signifier would be time of year since as the season progresses, the games become more important: his best month is January (2-2, small sample), 2nd best is November (16-17), 85% in December (17-20). Worst month is September (20-25) so it seems he starts slow.

                    Another could be home vs road: Henery is better at home (88.9 vs 83 FG%), but the Linc is a pretty tough place to kick

                    He is 1-2 in the playoffs so far (1 game, small sample) so hard to reach conclusions yet IMO.
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                    • #11
                      I'll agree that the age thing is a concern

                      I'm open to adding Feely because what good is Henery's FG% when all his kicks are under 50 yards? He's 2 for 5 in 50 yard attempts in his career. He's been the kicker for 3 years! That tells me 2 things. 1. team has no confidence in his ability to hit them
                      2. his 40% rate at that distance shows me that they are right

                      I also read the other day that he had yet to even attempt one game winning FG.
                      That is scary for a team that wants to get deep into the playoffs

                      Feely is 6 of 9 in 50 yard attempts over the same 3 year time period. They believe he can do it and 67% aint bad from that distance

                      Henery may prove us all wrong and he may be better than these older kickers that are out there. He also may be our only choice and will end up costing us in a tight game

                      let's just hope we blow everybody out so that it never matters

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                      • #12
                        Yeah... the main thing that has bothered me about Henery was that he (presumably) hasn't shown enough to coached to even allow him to even try that many 50+ FGs, and he hasn't made many of the ones he has tried. He hit them in college; not sure what is different in the pros but something is. He tried one early his rookie year and Reid limited his exposure after that. 50+ used to be a longshot but these days, not as much.

                        Other than that, Henery was just fine as a FG kicker until last year, and even that wasn't *too* bad. Cutting him now likely means we get someone worse, unless we go the unproven rookie route, which is rather risky. Henery is still at least an average kicker I think, unless last year was not an aberration and he continues to get worse (which may be what the team is guarding against, finding someone who they can turn to if all this negative attention gets to Henery and he spirals down).

                        He apparently was not his team's kickoff guy even in college, though when he first came up I thought he was OK enough on them -- it seems the "standard" for kickoffs has gotten much longer even just the last few years. The Eagles were at the bottom of the pack last year on kickoffs; some of that is on the coverage teams but some is probably on him. Many kickers routinely kick out the back of the end zone now, while Henery is just occasional. I'm fine with keeping him, but at this point he is potentially upgradeable.

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                        • #13
                          Oh, he is potentially upgradable for sure. I'm just not sure we can get someone better and that he will not improve with more development.

                          One theory I read recently was Henery had Detmer prior to Jones as his holder and may not be as comfortable with Jones. It would make sense due to last year being his worst performance.
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                          • #14
                            My main problem with Henery is that his neck is the size of a toothpick and that inspires zero confidence regardless of what the stats say.
                            Last edited by rspurr; 08-25-2014, 05:43 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rspurr View Post
                              My main problem with Henery is that his neck is the size if a toothpick and that inspires zero confidence regardless of what the stats say.
                              LOL. He looks so friekin goofy setting up for a kick that you just know it has no chance.
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