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  • The state of NFL officiating and how to fix it

    Lets face it, after watching several games including the Eagles games the officiating in the NFL is down right horrible. Its effecting the pace of the game, the flow of the game, the watchability of the game and making for a watered down product. Is this all the officials fault. NO it is not. They are human, the game is fast and there is too many judgement calls and not enough electronic help. . The advent of all 22 tape and the ability for a laymen to super slow down a frame to say see he left a millisecond early should have been a penalty is just killing it. Add in TV commentators who don't know the rules even "" rules analysts who don't know the rules as they are written today (maybe they know the 10 year ago rules) and you have some major issues on how the game is officiated. Its makes for confusion for the fans, the players etc.

    Here is what I see as major problems.

    1. The last two years we have seen some of the worst rule changes in the game.

    1 Why mess with the kickoff , 2. Why have a "" sportmanship point of emphasis that is basically a judgement call for the officials that injects bias into the game. 3. Why change the kicking balls.

    Example - Team 1 kicks the ball off, Team 2 runs it back to the 32 yard line (average starting point). Offense runs a play for 3 yards and the defense makes a great tackle and the defensive player gets up and celebrates a great play. He gets up and turns to his side and waves his arms flapping like a Bird. Official deems that unsportsmanlike and they get a 15 yard penalty. Now the Offense has run one play for 3 yards and is at the 50 yard line with a fresh set of down. Defense hold them for 5 yards on the next three plays. Kicker comes in kicks a 60 yard field goal and an offense who gained a total of 8 yards has put up 3 points.

    That is not what the game was meant to be. What did the defense do wrong? They didn't give up a 1st down, they gave up 8 yards after a kick was brought to the 32 yard line, 68 yards from a TD. The game is emotional and they celebrated a great play and they get a 15 yard penalty for that. Makes zero sense.

    My only thought is the league wants more scoring. But more scoring doesn't make for better games, especially when you can then have a propriety of bias from the officials. In fact it makes for a bad product, one that is one side or the other in a game is consistently crying about the officiating.

    2. The availability of ALL 22 tapes for youtube warriors and old QB's from the league to break down the tape. They slow down and overhead view of a play on the tape to see a player leaving a milisecond early (and in real time sometimes it hard to catch). That should have been a false start and start crying about it. However, the officials don't have a top down view. They have a side to side view from field level. Most of the officials are not the 6ft 8 Jordan Mailata types either. They are not going to see everything. But this type of behavior starts a narrative about a team.

    The Chiefs went though that for several years (now some of this is was because of the player antics and getting calls from it, which inherited made it look biased and quite frankly in some cases it clearly was)

    The Eagles seem to be the new darlings for this type of behavior. In the game yesterday, the broadcast slowed down the Ringo PBU. Did Ringo arrive slightly early in the slow downed version yes he did. Did it warrant a flag in real time. No it didn't The problem is when the broadcast calls it out, it goes with the narrative. Blandino and his crying about the Tush push etc. All bad for the league. Especially when you watch the rest of the game and there were several early hits on the Eagles receivers that didn't receive calls either. But not a peep from the broadcast. Instead another super slow mo pictures of Q grabbing a jersey that could have been a foul if the officials were watching the game in slow mo. In real time you don't see it. Funny thing is I saw the same thing from the Bucs and no super slow mo. It is happening in every game to. The broadcast choices a team they want to root for usually the team the player used to play for or the team opposite his rivals and its a consistent shit on the other team. Even thought the other team is clearly better. They are trying to get a narrative is they are only better because of XYZ.

    All of this needs to be out of the game. The NFL needs to tell the broadcasts no more with the commenting on any of the calls and no more with the super slow mo stuff.

    How to fix this


    1. The USFL or one of the other leagues used to have an eye in the sky official. I would have an officials sitting in a box at the stadium for expediate reviews. Every time the officials get together to talk through if its a flag or not the eye in the sky weighs in. Every flag should be reviewed however for accuracy. It should not take any longer than one quick replay of where the foul occurred. This can be done quickly. It will take away penalizing a team for something a ref thought they saw. They are also scholars on the rules of the game full time officials

    2. The entire sideline should have electronic readers and the ball should have a chip for ball placement. Too many bad spots lately. Some spot the ball where it was when the knee when down, some spot it where the knee is even if the ball was a full yard ahead. Just spot it where the ball got to when the whistle blew.

    3. . All scoring plays are reviewed not just for in bounds or out of bounds but for penalties. Stop rewarding offenses for getting away with holds that result in scores. Stop rewarding defenses for PI that should have been called.

    BTW all reviews should be done in real time. Overturning the play on the field has to be clear.

    4. That brings me why is a multi billion dollar league not have full time officials? Just like teams spend every week reviewing film trying to get better the officials should be doing the same. They should be consistently reviewing the rule books for better knowledge. Not only that these guys have full time jobs elsewhere and they have to go back to those. Lets say X officials boss is Cowboys fan and that official makes a critical call against the Cowboys. do you think that official wants to face that the next day (I know this is extreme and most of these guys own their own companies and such) But this could happen. Why even have that at all.

    Now you notice I didn't say we should use replay to call penalties on the field that were missed. The only place I said that is on scoring drives. Why you say? Because the Human element still needs to be in the game.

    Overall I want offenses to earn points, I want defense to earn their stops, I want special teams to be special. Not some bad rule for kickoffs that is instantly rewarding teams.

    I also enjoy a defensive slugfest as much as I enjoy an offensive outburst. For some reason the NFL front office thinks we all want offense. That is not true but they are managing the game that way. The rules are way slanted to the offense. That is what is causing these issues.

    There have been issues with officials for years. However it is getting more pronounced. Back in the day 5 penalties on a team were a ton. Now that is below league average. We are seeing flags on 10% of the plays. 1 in 10 plays has a flag think about that. That is crazy. Used to be about 3%.
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  • #2
    Great post, taz. I've often wondered why the NFL doesn't seem to push for full time refs. With that, and the technological tools they have now, this can be done. As far as commentary, perhaps that is a factor as to why the league doesn't have full time refs. as in, the vagueness gives the talking heads something to discuss in the booth...

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    • #3
      I don't really have a problem with the officiating. For the most part all these refs are trying to do is keep the game under control, but it's the phantom calls that I have a problem with. There were so many things going on in the game that you could call I don't see why you have to make one up. One thing that does bug me though is you have to have a 5 minute conference before you decide what penalty you're going to call! Whose bright idea was that?
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      • #4
        Well I’ve said from day one reviews should be done in real time. Ref gets to review all views and then pick two to look at again in real time. If a ref can’t overturn or confirm something having looked at all angles they shouldn’t be a ref. This nonsense of we have to have the right call is just that nonsense. The calls are so close they will never get them all right. And right might not even be the correct term.
        I agree with and have advocated for an eye in the sky ref.
        I also agree that refs do a fairly good, not good but fairly good, job considering speed of game and not being full time employees.
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        • #5
          I don’t really have an issue with the refs either. Seems the same as it has been for the 50 years I’ve been watching. Sometimes bad calls. Sometimes too many calls. My biggest beef is too many calls. Refs don’t have to call everything. Let em play. That Bengals Broncos game last night had no flow. Just too many calls. So many had zero to do w the actual play.

          maybe some things can be fixed. But let’s face it, being a critic is the easiest job. Nothing is perfect and all sports have ref or ump complaints. It’s just part of sports.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dawkins20 View Post
            I don’t really have an issue with the refs either. Seems the same as it has been for the 50 years I’ve been watching. Sometimes bad calls. Sometimes too many calls. My biggest beef is too many calls. Refs don’t have to call everything. Let em play. That Bengals Broncos game last night had no flow. Just too many calls. So many had zero to do w the actual play.

            maybe some things can be fixed. But let’s face it, being a critic is the easiest job. Nothing is perfect and all sports have ref or ump complaints. It’s just part of sports.
            It's just all this pre snap stuff that bothers me. Where did all this stuff come from? Illegal formations, illegal shifts, group huddles to discuss penalties -who gives a ****. I don't see two guys running around at the same time so what's the big deal? It's awful
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            • #7
              Well said Dawk.
              I’d also add that I believe they should give refs some discretion. For example every touch to the head or neck of the QB is a penalty. Sometimes though it is barely a graze or sometimes the D is blocked into him and touches his head with no intent or hard impact.
              Difficulty is fans will accuse refs of favoritism in how they call. Of course some fans already do that today. You can’t convince them that the refs don’t like their team. Fact is all refs don’t have an hard on against the Eagles. Also it is difficult to determine intent but you can determine if hits are hard.
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              • #8
                When i watched the second half yesterday on two separate passes to AJ I saw the corner arrive early and hit AJ in the back and arms before the ball got there. Clear DPI if you are going to call it that tight but they didn't. Now maybe they late Ringo do the same thing a time or two but that normally gets called. It didn't yesterday.

                My primary complaints with officiating ... secondary and personal fouls:

                The way they let the offensive players but their hands on the defensive back in the route and then call the defensive players for putting his hands on the offensive player. That is BS. The pick routes also are getting ridiculous. The Eagles used to be called for OPI all the time. We haven't been called for that yet this year and I wonder if its because Dotson is so small he isn't as eager to get in the way like bigger WRs are. They let Kelce, CeeDee, Pickens and last week DaVante Adams shove the DB. That is BS. Also on a completed pass if the guy gets hit over the middle in an attempt to break the pass up and he is penalized for hitting a defenseless player. If it is leading with his helmet or even hitting him directly in his helmet OK. But when a guy throws his shoulder into a guy to break up a pass and they call a PF that is just stupid. What is he supposed to do? Let him catch it?

                The personal fouls on the QB are also ridiculous. If you graze the QBs helmet it is a PF. That is just dumb. That should be quick reviewed. If its incidental contact pick it up. You can hit the QB above the knees up to the shoulders. What other player on the field are you limited to like that? All the PF penalties should be quick reviewed.

                The other one is an offensive player should not be allowed to stiff arm to the face. It's easy to see and it should be cut out.

                One more and this is in college. The targeting rule is good but the way it is officiated isn't. When a runner is going down and lowering his target zone if the defensive player comes in and hits him in the head that is not always targeting. If he flies in and hits the runner with his shoulder, I don't care where it is. If the guy is still up he is fair game.

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                • #9
                  ND, the rule to hit the quarterback in the head has indeed been changed. It's now up to the official to decide how hard The contact was. , I imagine every referee doesn't have the same opinion as to how hard the contact was so calls vary. Brady used to have a fit every time somebody knicked his helmet with a fingernail and got the call until they changed the rule and left to the discretion of the referee How hard the contact Was. The same thing goes for pass interference now. They let the defensive backs Really get away with a lot of stuff now and that's fine with me. Of course every official has the same of opinion of how much contact should be allowed. Having full time officials isn't going to change judgment calls. My biggest complaint is that what is a first down? They have the technology to determine it now with a yellow line on the screen so use it. I'm pretty sure I heard that major League Baseball is going to go with a tech enabled strike zone next season. Balls and strikes will be called with that little box that is superimposed on your TV screen.
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                  • #10
                    Just this thread shows there are a lot of people who see things differently.
                    60- if you say they changed the rule to give the ref discretion I’ll believe you but I don’t remember that at all.
                    There is just a whole lot of hand fighting going on with WRs/CBs and I’ll add in slight push offs when the ball is arriving. Again I would say the refs should have some discretion as to whether it impacted the receiver being able to catch the ball. But fans would piss and moan about the refs.
                    I wholeheartedly agree they should be able to chip the ball. It would take the argument out of first downs and TDs which would solve a lot of moaning.
                    Again I would reiterate that you can slow replay every single play and see a penalty. The game is played in real time and should be evaluated in real time. I really liked stevemc when he posted here but we disagreed on that as he felt they need to get the call right every time. Of course a lot of people disagree with many of my takes.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NoDakIggle View Post
                      Just this thread shows there are a lot of people who see things differently.
                      60- if you say they changed the rule to give the ref discretion I’ll believe you but I don’t remember that at all.
                      There is just a whole lot of hand fighting going on with WRs/CBs and I’ll add in slight push offs when the ball is arriving. Again I would say the refs should have some discretion as to whether it impacted the receiver being able to catch the ball. But fans would piss and moan about the refs.
                      I wholeheartedly agree they should be able to chip the ball. It would take the argument out of first downs and TDs which would solve a lot of moaning.
                      Again I would reiterate that you can slow replay every single play and see a penalty. The game is played in real time and should be evaluated in real time. I really liked stevemc when he posted here but we disagreed on that as he felt they need to get the call right every time. Of course a lot of people disagree with many of my takes.
                      1. Here's where things get vague ND
                      2. In covering the passer position, Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use the helmet and/or facemask to hit the passer, or use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area (see also the other unnecessary roughness rules covering these subjects). A defensive player must not use his helmet against a passer who is in a defenseless posture—for example, (1) forcibly hitting the passer’s head or neck area with the helmet or facemask, even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet or facemask is lower than the passer’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the passer by encircling or grasping him; or (2) lowering the head and making forcible contact with any part of the helmet against any part of the passer’s body. This rule does not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on a passer.
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                      • #12
                        Well I agree 60. What is forcible? That has to be the refs discretion but they tell them that any contact is a penalty because they don’t want them using discretion. Many former refs have said that exact thing on broadcasts.
                        I will liken it to replays. The rules says clear and obvious but you should be able to see clear and obvious in real time replay or just watching each view one time. But they don’t do that. They have refs look in super duper slow motion and they look many times.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NoDakIggle View Post
                          Well I agree 60. What is forcible? That has to be the refs discretion but they tell them that any contact is a penalty because they don’t want them using discretion. Many former refs have said that exact thing on broadcasts.
                          I will liken it to replays. The rules says clear and obvious but you should be able to see clear and obvious in real time replay or just watching each view one time. But they don’t do that. They have refs look in super duper slow motion and they look many times.
                          I guess I would compare it to hand fighting for pass interference calls. Sometimes they call it and sometimes they don't.
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