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    Very, very true.......comparing some of them to celebrities like Lindsay Lohan makes a world of sense. Public figures make for bad role models as often as not. Heck, we nickname Brett Favre "God" after all, but the joke exists for a reason......and it's not because he's under-hyped.

    Saints in short supply
    By John Gonzalez
    Inquirer Columnist

    Alex Rodriguez is a lot of things - narcissistic, smug, impossibly wealthy. Turns out he's a softy for children, too. After he admitted taking steroids during a teary-eyed ESPN interview, Rodriguez said coming clean (so to speak) was partly about the kids.

    "And, uh, I also, more importantly, have a chance to, you know, tell the story to kids so they can learn from my mistake," Rodriguez said.

    Yes, yes, of course. Now kids will surely zig where Rodriguez zagged. (Had he remained silent, I fear high schoolers everywhere might have left their girlfriends to shack up with Madonna.)

    Not long after Rodriguez's lame "Greatest Love of All" rendition, President Obama took a time-out from talking about the tanking economy to answer a question on the A-Rod mess.

    "The thing I'm probably most concerned about is the message that it sends to our kids," the president said during his news conference.
    Democrats and Republicans surely nodded in unison. If there's one thing everyone agrees on, it's that this role-model business is super-serious stuff.

    And it is. Which is why we should really stop entrusting the gig to athletes and celebrities.

    Two things invariably happen when guys like A-Rod - or Michael Phelps or Charles Barkley or Jamal Anderson or [insert name here] - screw up. First, everyone recoils. That's natural. When someone douses himself in gasoline and then flicks a Bic, you stand back. You watch, but you stand back.
    Next - and here's the part I'll never understand - people wag disapproving fingers at the guy who just self-immolated. The reaction isn't merely visceral, and it runs deeper than simple schadenfreude. Our reflexive responses are rooted in the fatuous notion that if kids find out the famous are flawed, their wee heads will pop off.

    Personally, I don't think the young'uns are that daft or delicate. They've been to TMZ and With Leather. They know all about the exploits of Lindsay and Britney. They're fully aware that celebrities are imperfect.
    The question, then, is when will we stop being so disingenuous (or are we just naive)? When will we stop pretending that public figures should be saints even though they never have been?

    Golden boy Brett Favre had a pain-pill problem, and so did champion of the far right, Rush Limbaugh. Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson were painted as stand-up guys - then both were exposed for marital infidelities, among other things. The current president of the United States admitted to using drugs during his youth. The guy he replaced copped to having a drinking problem at one time. And the man who came before both of them did something very naughty in the Oval Office - then lied about it.

    And back in the mid-1990s, there was a popular former football star who did commercials and movies. Then he got himself in trouble. Went by the name of O.J. something.

    The list goes on. Point is, we all know the deal. History has taught us that outsourcing the role-model job - especially to pro athletes - is beyond stupid.

    But we do it anyway. No matter how many times they fib or obfuscate, we pull the shock-and-outrage bit because - for reasons surpassing understanding - we hold public figures to higher standards. We criticize today's failures and pine for yesteryear (even though yesteryear was just as messed up) because that's what we've always done.

    When I was a kid, my dad told me stories about how great the old Yankees were. He grew up in the Bronx, and he was a big Bombers fan. (That was his greatest defect.) To him, Mickey Mantle was a "hero" - even though biographers revealed that the Mick was a womanizer who pickled his liver after camping out on barstools across America.

    Like so many, my father wrongly expected too much from people he never knew. That aside, I'll say this: Dad was one fantastic role model.
    Last edited by balto-eaglefan; 02-11-2009, 08:25 AM.
    "Philly fans are great....It's the only place where you pull up on the bus and you've got the grandfather, the grandmother, the kids and the grandkids - everybody flicking you off. At other stadiums, they give you the thumbs-down. Here, they give you the middle finger.”
    — Michael Strahan

    "No one likes us, no one likes us, no one likes us, we don’t care, we’re from Philly, F—-ing Philly, No one likes us, we don’t care!”
    - Jason Kelce with the best championship speech ever

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    I disagree. We see what the media knows sells. It's the 5% of idiots who get the attention and the 95% of upstanding men who don't - are ignored by the media. Maybe if Gonzalez made a commitment to report on one great thing a player from a Philadelphia sports team did per week - he'd be shocked and readers would be better for it.

    There are so many amazing men in the NFL and other sports. People like Brian Dawkins, Tony Dungy, Matt Birk, Matt Stover - the list is endless.

    My wife works as a school nurse part time in Baltimore County and she was at a lower income school and befriended a young man in a wheelchair with a number of ailments. He was probably 8-9. He told my wife how much he loved football but had never been to a game. We approached some friends we had with the Ravens and Matt Stover hooked us up with tickets. The kid had the time of his life. Does that get reported or does steroid use get reported?

    As Tony Dungy said in the eulogy for his son to the players who were in attendance:

    I want to urge you to continue being who you are because our young boys in this country, they need to hear from you. If anything, be bolder in who you are. Our boys are getting a lot of the wrong messages about what it means to be a man in this world. About how you should act. How you should dress. How you should talk. And how you should treat people. They don't always get the right message, but you guys have the right messages.
    Tony Dungy
    Carson Wentz ERA


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    • #3
      Very well said, BP.
      Russian reporters to Bobby Clarke: Can you imagine hockey without fights?
      Robert Earle Clarke's response: Can you imagine vodka without alcohol?

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      • #4
        It's a chicken and egg problem, BP.

        1) people love blood.
        2) money making media reacts: "If it bleeds, it leads"

        I know people who are news junkies.

        I HATE the news and never watch it. People claim that they want to be in the know about critical issues. I call bs. People are drawn to stories like "4 alarm fire in a rowhome, 6 dead, details coming up." What does that have to do with YOU. If someone you knew was in that fire, you'd have heard about it already. It's just rubbernecking.

        It's not about being in the dark about world events or whatever. If you really want to know what's affecting the world, ick up a quality magazine or something.

        So unless "photos of Phelps hitting a bong" doesn't generate a gajillion hits, nothing changes. It's people and their disgusting obsession with celebrity and scandal. So my solution is to stop looking at gossip sites and stop reading news items that are just sensationalism. It's not easy but if you do it and others do it, things might change.

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        • #5
          By the way, here's the "Latest News" from CNN:

          Latest News
          'All heck broke loose' in Lone Grove 44 min
          CNNMoney: Big bank CEOs face grilling
          Lawmaker: Stimulus deal possible today 15 min
          Red, blue voters say stimulus gives them zilch
          Roland Martin: Don't be my Valentine
          Consumer Tips: Job resource Web sites
          Ticker: Palin makes surprise decision
          Woman tosses newborn into lake, cops say
          WRAL: Student shot on school bus
          Slayings shock super-yacht industry 21 min
          Car wash chokes woman with her scarf
          18-foot python attacks tot; parents charged
          KPRC: Extra juror votes so guilty verdict tossed
          'Sesame Street' not always happy 1 min
          Tabloid judges rule daytime TV
          Time: Competence: Is your boss faking it?
          iReport.com: Unleash your inner Abe
          Teachers win $76 million in lottery
          CNN Wire: Lawmakers urge Obama to block...
          How many of these stories are positive? 2?

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          • #6
            Agree the good story doesn't get told and agree that it is because a significant number of people don't want to hear the good story. They want to see some down and out sap on COPS getting beat down one more time.
            Wait until next year is a terrible philosophy
            Hope is not a strategy
            RIP

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            • #7
              Originally posted by sfphillyfan View Post
              By the way, here's the "Latest News" from CNN:



              How many of these stories are positive? 2?
              Yah right, and some of those "news" stories that supposedly matter to you, are right out of horror movies. Yikes on some of those......
              "Philly fans are great....It's the only place where you pull up on the bus and you've got the grandfather, the grandmother, the kids and the grandkids - everybody flicking you off. At other stadiums, they give you the thumbs-down. Here, they give you the middle finger.”
              — Michael Strahan

              "No one likes us, no one likes us, no one likes us, we don’t care, we’re from Philly, F—-ing Philly, No one likes us, we don’t care!”
              - Jason Kelce with the best championship speech ever

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              • #8
                To me, there is no such thing as a role model.

                There are teachers, there are confidents, there are mentors. No professional athlete is going to fill that role for a child. Parents should. Siblings should. To a lesser extent, peers, teachers and coaches should.

                And what it all boils down to is simple: are you an ethical and moral person? Are you capable of empathy and sympathy? Most importantly, are you capable about caring about someone other than yourself?

                Trying to tag any entertainer - and athletes are entertainers - as a role model is ludicrous. The individual may be a role model, but to say all of them should be is wishful thinking.

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                • #9
                  Agreed. SOME can be. Dawkins is a good example. One has to appreciate the way he carries and represents himself. His aversion to swearing or taking the Lord's name in vain. His acceptance of responsibility and accountability. Dawk is a guy that I would be proud for my son to emulate.

                  However for the most part profesional athletes seem to be self centered, egotisitical, and in some cases flat out thugs. It's more on the parent to point out the good behaviour and say, "Son, there's a man you can respect."
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                  • #10
                    The thing that I get sick and tired of is that it's always about the children. The children will find out....it will harm the children...we've got to protect the children..and on and on, ad nauseum. If some do-gooder doesn't have a divine inspiriation from God to control other people's behavior, then he'll just have to protect those children.

                    What a load of crap.

                    This stuff about celebrities and athletes influencing the behavior of children is so overblown it's ridiculous. A good kid is not going to go blow bong hits because Michael Phelps did, or run out drinking and picking up hookers like Barkley.

                    I've got two daughters, 9 and 13. Even the youngest one, at 9, knows better than that. She knows Phelps is a good swimmer, and that's what he is. I get sick to death of adults whining all the time about some other adult's behavior in the name of THE CHILDREN.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BIGPHILLY View Post
                      I disagree. We see what the media knows sells. It's the 5% of idiots who get the attention and the 95% of upstanding men who don't - are ignored by the media. Maybe if Gonzalez made a commitment to report on one great thing a player from a Philadelphia sports team did per week - he'd be shocked and readers would be better for it.

                      There are so many amazing men in the NFL and other sports. People like Brian Dawkins, Tony Dungy, Matt Birk, Matt Stover - the list is endless.

                      My wife works as a school nurse part time in Baltimore County and she was at a lower income school and befriended a young man in a wheelchair with a number of ailments. He was probably 8-9. He told my wife how much he loved football but had never been to a game. We approached some friends we had with the Ravens and Matt Stover hooked us up with tickets. The kid had the time of his life. Does that get reported or does steroid use get reported?

                      As Tony Dungy said in the eulogy for his son to the players who were in attendance:

                      I want to urge you to continue being who you are because our young boys in this country, they need to hear from you. If anything, be bolder in who you are. Our boys are getting a lot of the wrong messages about what it means to be a man in this world. About how you should act. How you should dress. How you should talk. And how you should treat people. They don't always get the right message, but you guys have the right messages.
                      Tony Dungy
                      Great post. +1
                      Whatcha Gonna Do Brother, When the Eagles run wild on you?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Eaglebreath View Post
                        The thing that I get sick and tired of is that it's always about the children. The children will find out....it will harm the children...we've got to protect the children..and on and on, ad nauseum. If some do-gooder doesn't have a divine inspiriation from God to control other people's behavior, then he'll just have to protect those children.

                        What a load of crap.

                        This stuff about celebrities and athletes influencing the behavior of children is so overblown it's ridiculous. A good kid is not going to go blow bong hits because Michael Phelps did, or run out drinking and picking up hookers like Barkley.

                        I've got two daughters, 9 and 13. Even the youngest one, at 9, knows better than that. She knows Phelps is a good swimmer, and that's what he is. I get sick to death of adults whining all the time about some other adult's behavior in the name of THE CHILDREN.
                        "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann



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