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  • #31
    http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/2/16...should-they-do

    If the Bengals Make A Move With Palmer, What Should They Do?

    by Jason Garrison



    Everybody knows that the Bengals franchise quarterback, Carson Palmer, wants out of Cincinnati. He reportedly has told Bengals owner Mike Brown that he wants to be traded and if he isn't, he'll retire, leaving the team high and dry. Brown, in response, did exactly what everybody thought he would do, which was nothing other than say no to Palmer's trade request.


    There are some people who believe that Palmer will be a Bengal next year and others who believe the Bengals need to take his demands seriously because he isn't bluffing.

    I wrote earlier today that Peter King believes that Palmer will be lured back to Cincinnati in 2011 by a combination of Jay Gruden's newly implemented west coast offense and the Bengals parting ways with Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens. However, I also later wrote that Solomon Wilcots thinks that Palmer is in no way bluffing and will retire if he feels the Bengals won't trade him and they need to be proactive. Wilcots mentioned that the Bengals could trade their No. 4 overall pick for the Eagles' Kevin Kolb along with the Eagles' No. 25 overall pick and then trade Palmer to the Seahawks in exchange for their first-round pick (No. 23). That would leave the Bengals with two first-round picks and Kevin Kolb in place instead of Palmer.

    While that seems great, everybody doesn't agree that the Bengals should look to the Eagles to make a trade. Former Bengals defensive lineman and current All Pro Blogger, John Thornton agrees that the Bengals need to be proactive but that trying to get Kolb isn't the direction that they should go.

    In a short Twitter discussion, he told me he'd rather have Kyle Orton over Kolb.

    CincyJungle I'd want Orton over Kolb. Played in Chi so he's more of a AFCN type plus I think he's a underrated passer.less than a minute ago via webJohnThornton
    JohnThornton


    Okay. Let's run with this for a minute. Both Kolb and Orton lost their starting jobs in the 2010 season. Kolb lost his job to Michael Vick who is the future starter of the Eagles and Orton lost his job to Tim Tebow. We know that the Eagles are going to be sticking with Vick as their starter and that Kolb will likely be traded. When it comes to the Broncos ,though, things are less clear. The Broncos have a new head coach, John Fox, and their general manager, John Elway, has said that Orton will be the starter of the Denver Broncos. However, I have the feeling that's not necessarily written in stone like Vick is in Philly.

    If the Bengals could strike up some sort of deal with Broncos that would send Palmer to Denver and send Orton to Cincinnati, would you (Bengals fans) welcome it?

    In his last two seasons with the Broncos, Orton has thrown for 7,455 yards for 41 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. In his career in Philadelphia, Kolb has thrown for 2,082 yards for 11 touchdowns and 14 interceptions.

    This could create an interesting debate. Let's pretend for a minute that the Bengals are going to make a move and trade Palmer and they get the following offers: Kevin Kolb and the No. 25 overall pick (from Eagles for No. 4 overall pick) and the No. 23 overall pick (from the Seahawks for Carson Palmer) or the No. 2 overall pick and Kyle Orton from the Broncos (for Carson Palmer and No. 4 overall pick).

    Which would you rather do?

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    • #32
      I'm not sure I'd want the Eagles to make that trade with the Bengals. There's no one at 4 that would be worth moving up for (and I say that admitting I'm not a college football guy, so I welcome opposing opinions on this). If the Eagles made that trade I'd do it expecting to move back down to the 10-12 range and picking up a second this year or a first round pick in next year's draft. Moving up in the first round and banking an extra 2nd this year or 1st next year would be excellent value for Kolb - maybe too much really. But simply staying at the #4 spot doesn't make much sense to me.
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      • #33
        http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-5059.html

        *The Eagles have put out the word that in return for Kevin Kolb, they would like a first round pick and something else, maybe a third round pick. The Eagles are known to be tough trade negotiators, so no one expects them to come too far off their asking price. That price is a lot to ask for a player with a limited body of work, and a potential lockout has the brakes on all trades. So it’s starting to look as if it’s a possibility that Kolb might be back in Philly next year.
        Per RotoWorld...

        The Eagles are reportedly seeking a first-round pick and "something else," possibly a third-round pick, in exchange for Kevin Kolb.


        The National Football Post's Dan Pompei says "no one expects them to come too far off their asking price," and that it's "starting to look as if it’s a possibility that Kolb might be back in Philly." With Michael Vick still needing to prove last season was not a fluke and that he can stay healthy in his thirties, keeping Kolb would be wise, especially since it could be months before the Eagles can officially entertain trade proposals. They could always keep Kolb for 2011, franchise him in 2012, and trade him then.

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        • #34
          Possibly third round pick is just a wild ass guess. My wild as guess would be a third round pick if the #1 is late in the first and as little as a 5th round pick if the #1 is early in the first. Which would be quite different if the something else is offered for next year. So.......no closer to knowing anything today that wasn't known yestereday but it is always fun reading some football stuff
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          • #35
            I'd be very happy to see them get even a mid 1st rounder for him. The generic term '1st round pick' is strange to me because the value of an early vs late 1st rounder is hugely different, more than a second round pick.

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            • #36
              Miami report on their QB situation...

              http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/theda...-quarterbacks/

              Miami Dolphins Position Breakdown – Quarterbacks

              by Ben Volin

              With the current labor strife postponing all NFL activity except the draft, and with the Scouting Combine coming up this week in Indianapolis, now seems like a good time to begin our eight-part series breaking down the Dolphins’ roster heading into the 2011 season.

              Starting today with Quarterbacks, we’ll break down the roster situation for each position entering 2011, plus what went right in 2010, what went wrong, what Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland may do to address the position this offseason and what we predict will happen.
              So here we go…..

              QUARTERBACKS

              Under Contract

              Chad Henne: Signed through 2011. Next year’s base salary: $550,000
              Tom Brandstater: Signed through 2012. Next year’s base salary: $405,000

              Free Agents

              Chad Pennington: Unrestricted
              Tyler Thigpen: Likely unrestricted (will depend on new CBA)

              What Went Right?

              Chad Henne became just the fourth quarterback in team history to pass for 3,000 yards in a season, joining Dan Marino, Jay Fiedler and Chad Pennington. Henne’s 3,301 passing yards were the 15th-most in the NFL last year and the 14th-highest total in Dolphins history. … Henne’s 61.4 completion percentage tied him for 16th among starting quarterbacks. … He had three 300-yard games, including 363 in a Monday Night loss to the Jets. … And for what it’s worth, Henne was the best QB in the league at converting third-and-medium (3-7 yards), achieving a first down on 63.6 percent of opportunities.

              Chad Henne (left) had a disappointing and frustrating season, but we predict he will get one more chance to prove himself in 2011 / Post file


              What Went Wrong?

              Where do we begin? Henne was given the keys to the franchise in the offseason, but did nothing to prove that he is the long-term solution at quarterback. … His 19 interceptions tied him with Brett Favre for fourth-most in the NFL. … His 6.7 yards per attempt placed him 24th among starting quarterbacks. … His 15 touchdown passes placed him 23rd. … His 75.4 passer rating was 26th-best. … He had four touchdowns and seven interceptions over his final five games as the Dolphins went 1-4 and fell out of the playoff race. … He completed just 10-of-40 passes that traveled 20 yards or more, with one touchdown and three interceptions. … He was second in the league with 16 passes batted down. … His 55.6 passer rating in the 4th quarter was 34th-best. … He was benched before the Week 10 game against Tennessee and in the Week 17 game against New England. … And he lost the confidence of his best receiver, as Brandon Marshall was shown yelling at Henne, and then flat-out ignoring Henne on the sidelines, several times toward the end of the season. … On top of that, Chad Pennington lasted one play before re-injuring his right shoulder and being lost for the season, and Tyler Thigpen couldn’t produce any points in his one start, a 16-0 loss to the Bears. Thigpen completed 53.2 percent of his 62 attempts in 2010, for 435 yards, two touchdowns, two interceptions and eight sacks. … The Dolphins also cut Pat White, the team’s second-round pick in 2009, at the end of training camp after just one NFL season.

              2011 Draft Priority

              High

              How Will The Dolphins Address the Position in the Offseason?
              Jeff Ireland has said he will look at all options to improve the position for next year, in both free agency and the draft, and there is little doubt that the Dolphins will open the quarterback position to a competition during training camp. The Dolphins will likely let Thigpen walk away as a free agent (he is too much of a risk-taker for their tastes) and will monitor Pennington’s progress in rehab before determining whether to bring him back again on a one-year contract. But even though the Dolphins must address the position in 2011, and are still in the market for a franchise quarterback in this year’s draft, finding an upgrade to Henne for 2011 won’t be easy, and Henne very well could be the starter again in 2011.
              With the 15th pick in April’s draft, the Dolphins will likely miss out on the top quarterback prospects – Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert – but still may be able to draft Ryan Mallett, Jake Locker, Colin Kaepernick or a number of other quarterbacks in rounds 1-3 (though the Dolphins don’t currently have a second-round pick). If the Dolphins do draft a quarterback, though, it is unlikely that the coaching staff would be comfortable playing him right away and unseating Henne as the starting quarterback, especially with the coaches feeling pressure to win in 2011 after a disappointing 2010 season.

              Among veteran quarterbacks, the best options would be to sign Vince Young after he is cut by Tennessee, trade for Denver’s Kyle Orton, Cincinnati’s Carson Palmer, Philadelphia’s Kevin Kolb or Green Bay’s Matt Flynn, or hope that a veteran like Donovan McNabb is cut. But Young and McNabb, with low completion percentages, do not seem like a good fit with the Dolphins’ risk-averse coaching staff (in addition to Young’s character issues that led to the Titans’ decision to part ways). And as we detailed last month, it will be very difficult for the Dolphins to acquire any of the quarterbacks in a trade. Orton, Palmer and Kolb will not come cheaply, and Ireland, who already traded a second-round pick to Denver for Marshall, likely won’t have enough ammo or the inclination to give up draft picks to acquire any of the three. We also can’t see Ireland making a heavy investment in Kolb or Flynn because, though talented, they are even less proven than Henne and play in West Coast systems, which is much different than the offense run in Miami. The Dolphins instead will likely monitor other situations around the league to see who hits the waiver wire – For example, Brady Quinn in Denver, Tavarris Jackson in Minnesota, Jake Delhomme in Cleveland, Jon Kitna in Dallas and Alex Smith in San Francisco. Also, the Dolphins have already worked out JaMarcus Russell once, and we wouldn’t be shocked to see the Dolphins kick the tires on the 2007 No. 1 pick.
              Prediction

              We predict that the Dolphins will draft a quarterback in the middle rounds – Kaepernick? Christian Ponder? Ricky Stanzi? – and sign a veteran free agent once a new CBA is in place. But when all is said and done, we expect Henne to be given one more shot as the starting quarterback in 2011, though his leash will be short. We predict Thigpen to walk, Brandstater to get a shot to compete for a backup spot instead of just the practice squad, and Pennington to earn an invitation to camp, with no guarantees about a roster spot.

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              • #37
                Ummm, yeah, whatever, dude.

                http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/2/...for-kevin-kolb

                The Philadelphia Eagles Want What For Kevin Kolb?

                by Christopher Gates on Feb 21, 2011 5:01 AM CST in Vikings


                Miles Kennedy - AP
                about 1 month ago: Dallas Cowboys' DeMarcus Ware (94) returns a fumble by Philadelphia Eagles' Kevin Kolb (4) in the first half of an NFL football game, Sunday, Jan. 2, 2011, in Philadelphia. Ware scored a touchdown on the return. (AP Photo/Miles Kennedy)
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                Not too long ago, we speculated as to whether or not the Minnesota Vikings would part with the #12 overall pick in the 2011 NFL Draft in exchange for Philadelphia Eagles' quarterback Kevin Kolb, and whether such a deal would entail Minnesota giving up too much.

                If what Dan Pompei of the National Football Post is reporting is accurate, the #12 pick might not be enough.

                Pompei is reporting that the Eagles want a first round pick "and something else" in exchange for Kolb's services. He speculates that that "something else" is likely a third-round draft choice.

                Two things here. . .first of all, this would likely take us out of the running, what with that whole "not having a third-round pick this year" thing going on. Second of all. . .a first AND a third (not to mention a huge contract extension, in all likelihood) for a guy that's started seven games in four NFL seasons and, to this point, has thrown more interceptions than touchdown passes in his career? Yeahhhhhhhhhhh. . .I'm going to have to say "pass" on this one.

                Kolb's career QB rating, as of right now, is 73.2. To compare, Tarvaris Jackson's career quarterback rating is 76.6. Anyone think we'd get a first and a third for Tarvaris Jackson if he were still under contract to the Vikings?

                Yeah. . .neither do I.

                If the Eagles are going to demand a first and a third for Kolb, then there's a pretty good chance he'll be sitting behind Michael Vick again this season, after which the Eagles will have to determine whether or not they'll want to put a tag (if the new CBA has those) on a quarterback for the second season in a row. For that price, as far as I'm concerned, they can keep him.

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                • #38
                  http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/..._JUDGMENT.html

                  How decision on quarterback Kolb could impact Reid's future with Eagles

                  POSTED: February 22, 2011
                  [IMG]http://media.philly.com/images/40*40/may08_dn_richhofmann.jpg[/IMG]
                  By Rich Hofmann
                  Daily News Sports Columnist

                  THERE IS NO question that Kevin Kolb's maximum value to the Eagles, as an asset to be traded, is right now - or, rather, as soon as the NFL's collective-bargaining high jinks are concluded. The problem is that, because nobody can accurately predict the new labor landscape, or the timing issues, to be forced to trade him for draft picks that don't arrive until 2012 is nobody's idea of maximum value.

                  Which is why Kolb is probably staying.

                  That is bad news for Kolb, who really is ready to be a starting quarterback in the NFL, but when you play it out in your head, it just seems to be the way the Eagles are probably headed. Game out the scenarios for yourself and decide.

                  There are at least 10 ways it could go.

                  Kolb stays as insurance, Vick plays great, Eagles win the Super Bowl: At that point, who cares? Kolb leaves, the Eagles receive nothing in return, and Reid and club president Joe Banner bask.

                  Kolb stays as insurance, Vick plays well, Eagles fall short: This is the scenario of regret. Kolb will have been the insurance policy that went uncashed. It will have been the waste of an asset, who will just walk out the door. The organization will be derided for making the wrong call on Kolb but it will enjoy the solace of having made the right call on Vick.

                  Kolb stays as insurance, Vick gets hurt for some/much of the season: This is the most likely scenario and this is the best reason to keep Kolb around. As long as Vick is going to continue to play the way he does - as long as he is the personification of reckless abandon - then a viable backup is a necessity for the Eagles, not a luxury. There are some people who doubt Kolb's viability, but they are wrong. He can play.

                  Kolb stays as insurance, Vick plays erratically: Don't kid yourself - there is a chance this could happen, and not a tiny chance, either. It seems as if the decision has been made, organizationally, to pin the offensive sputtering at the end of the season on the right side of the offensive line. That's fine, as far as it goes. Deep in their hearts, though, the Eagles have to wonder if the NFL figured out Vick by the end of the season - at least a little bit - or if he just isn't a special player if he is at less than 100 percent of his healthy explosiveness. Either way, having Kolb on the roster gives them another option, either amid Vick's struggles or after the season. Of course, the fan base will rightly be livid at wasting so much of Kolb's development time.

                  Kolb stays as insurance, Vick gets in off-the-field trouble: Reid pleads for his job and might just keep it - but it will be a very close call. Truth is, he'll probably be fired. His pitch will be that he invented Kolb and that he deserves a chance, a final chance, to prove it can work. Which would leave him there for 1 more year, likely an all-or-nothing year with Kolb as his quarterback in 2012.

                  Kolb is traded, Vick plays great, Eagles win the Super Bowl: This is the daily double for Reid and Banner, the absolute maximization of the situation and the ultimate validation of their regime. Much laughter ensues.

                  Kolb is traded, Vick plays well, Eagles fall short: If most of life is not black or white, but gray, this is the grayest for the franchise. There will be calls for Reid to be fired, but there also will be internal justification that the organization did the best with what it had, and that it maximized Kolb's value, and that the Vick decision was a sound one.

                  Kolb is traded, Vick gets hurt for some/much of the season: Again, if you were doing the odds thing, there is a measurably larger probability that Vick gets hurt for part of the season, especially if it is an 18-game season. If the yet-to-be-named backup is a disaster, and if the Eagles have nothing to show for Kolb but a 2012 draft choice, the happiest man in the area will be the guy who is in the business of sharpening the villagers' pitchforks.

                  Kolb is traded, Vick plays erratically: This will get Reid fired. No one will defend him. His expertise with the quarterback position is presumed to be one of Reid's greatest strengths as a coach. If they were to trade Kolb, it would mean that they believed Vick to be a long-term solution at the quarterback position. If Vick were then to play badly, it would mean that Reid just made the biggest mistake of his tenure as the Eagles' coach. Nothing will save him.

                  Kolb is traded, Vick gets in off-the-field trouble: This will get Reid fired at the end of the season - if it doesn't get him fired immediately. If it went down that way - and if Kolb ended up being a star someplace else - it will be the kind of pivotal moment for the franchise that will be chewed over for decades hence.

                  There are probably variations on these scenarios, but you get the point. It just seems that, in the current window - from now to 2012 or 2013 - Reid has a better chance or surviving if Kolb is still here. Which is why he is likely to stay.

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                  • #39
                    I don't see anyway in the world that Reid is fired. None. As long as there is a waiting list for season tickets and they continue to make money hand over fist Reid will be here. That's it in a nutshell. Forget what you hear on the radio and read int he papers, this is a business and business is very very good! And that's in very large part due to Reid. He knows it. Banner knows it and Lurie knows it.
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                    • #40
                      I don't see any way in hell that the Birds could swing the #4 pick for Kolb, but if they could I'd carry Kolb on my back to Cincy to make the deal.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Eagle60 View Post
                        I don't see any way in hell that the Birds could swing the #4 pick for Kolb, but if they could I'd carry Kolb on my back to Cincy to make the deal.

                        Why do you say that 60? All it would take is Banner sneaking into the BungHole owner's house and kidnapping his family and leaving a message scribbled on a Kolb photo saying that the #4 pick will get them Kolb, our 2nd rounder and his family back. If he doesn't want his wife back then it's Kolb and our 3rd. See it wouldn't take too much to get the deal done!
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                        • #42
                          For whatever it's worth, this from the Miami Herald...

                          http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/1...eet-about.html#

                          Though the Dolphins plan to add at least one quarterback to challenge Chad Henne, they’ve told people they aren’t sure if they will be able to acquire someone who will definitely beat out Henne to start the 2011 season. If the lockout is lengthy, Henne would know the Dolphins’ offense better than any challenger. And though the Dolphins are considering several veterans — none of whom can be signed or traded for during a lockout — all have blemishes.

                          They have talked internally about Philadelphia’s Kevin Kolb and asked for feedback from new running backs coach Jeff Nixon, an Eagles assistant the past four years. But there is sentiment against offering a 2011 first-round pick for him.

                          The Dolphins do not discount Carson Palmer but do not know whether the Bengals would trade him or if he wants to play in Miami. Plus, his contract ($50 million left over four years) is a major turn-off. They will consider Donovan McNabb when he’s released but know he’s on the downside and had 2010 stats similar to Henne’s.

                          The Dolphins conceivably could end up with one of the other soon-to-be available names: Vince Young (his Tennessee issues have raised some concerns with the Dolphins), Kerry Collins, Marc Bulger, Rex Grossman, Tarvaris Jackson, etc. But the Dolphins hope something more appealing emerges, as Chad Pennington did when he fell in their lap in August 2008.
                          Per RotoWorld...

                          There is reportedly "sentiment against" trading a first-round pick for Kevin Kolb at Dolphins headquarters.


                          It's hard for Miami to part with a first-rounder when they don't have a second-round pick, either. While they do plan to add "at least one quarterback" to challenge Chad Henne, the Dolphins aren't confident that any imported QB could unseat the incumbent with the lockout in effect.

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                          • #43
                            OK, if Miami is hesitant to trade their first because they don't have a second this year, let's trade Kolb and the Eagles second rounder for Miami's first this year (15th overall) plus their first next year. In a nutshell, we end up trading Kolb for the 15th pick. We also trade our 2nd this year for a first next year and end up with two picks in the first this year and next. Hey Mikey, I like it!
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                            • #44
                              Huh? I don't see how Mitchell and Kolb are really that comparable, but OK. Even that headline is dumb. Really, Kolb is a risk? Not a sure thing? Wow, big news.

                              http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...e=HP_spotlight

                              Eagles' Kolb might be more of a risk than sure thing

                              It seems inevitable that at least one NFL team ends up falling under the intoxicating influence of the "Scott Mitchell Effect."

                              You remember Mitchell, don't you? He spent three years as a backup to Dan Marino in Miami. In 1993, after Marino suffered a season-ending torn Achilles' tendon, Mitchell took over and performed well enough to become a red-hot commodity on the 1994 free-agent market. The Lions scooped him up for a handsome price, but with the exception of the 1995 season, Mitchell failed to give them -- in slightly more than four seasons as a starter -- what they thought they saw during his spectacular seven-game stretch with the Dolphins.

                              Cautionary tale? Not for league talent evaluators.

                              Teams continue to be mesmerized by what backup quarterbacks do elsewhere and pounce on the chance to make them their starters. Although they surely attempt to incorporate sound football judgment in their thinking, they too often develop an opinion inflated by desperation and the fear of risking a high draft pick on a quarterback who won't be ready to make an immediate impact -- if he makes one at all.

                              You can't help but wonder, then, whether the very same thing is happening as clubs ponder the possibility of making a trade with the Eagles for Kevin Kolb.

                              At present, there is no trading in the NFL and won't be until a new collective bargaining agreement is in place or some sort of court-imposed rules force the resumption of trades, free-agent signings and other suspended league business.

                              Nevertheless, Kolb's status is worth discussing because it definitely is on the radar of multiple teams that, regardless of the current labor uncertainty, still have quarterback issues to address and are considering their options.

                              The Eagles, of course, have committed to Michael Vick as their starter. Andy Reid has publicly insisted he is also committed to hanging onto Kolb, but reality suggests that he could easily change his mind in the coming weeks or months.

                              There simply are too many teams desperate for a quarterback -- enough, seemingly, for one to be willing to part with at least a first-round pick for a player it feels has the goods to provide an instant upgrade. Given the thin market of available quarterbacks with experience, as well as the many questions swirling around the quality of this year's draft class, and the price tag for Kolb just might swell to two premium choices. Reid and the rest of the Eagles' brain trust couldn't help but take a long look at such an offer, especially with the knowledge that Kolb could leave for no compensation when he becomes a free agent after the 2011 season.
                              The question is would they view a team prepared to make that deal the way the seller of a used car might look at someone ready to overspend on a clunker?

                              Here are some sobering facts that teams should consider before allowing desperation and fear to skew their perception of Kolb: He has made only seven career starts, during which he has thrown 10 touchdown passes and been intercepted nine times while posting a passer rating of 81.8. In his last two starts, his passer ratings were 56.9 and 37.0, respectively. Those numbers shouldn't justify two high draft picks.

                              But they just might.

                              When the Eagles used a second-round pick to pluck Kolb from the University of Houston in 2007, they weren't the only NFL team that viewed him as a high-quality prospect. The rest of the league also took notice that not only was he was being mentored by two top-flight quarterback coaches -- Reid and offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg -- but that the Eagles felt good enough about Kolb's progress to name him their starter last season and ship Donovan McNabb to Washington. We'll never know how things might have unfolded had Kolb not suffered a concussion halfway through the season-opener and Vick not stepped in and ultimately taken away the starting job.

                              That great unknown is part of what figures to help drive up Kolb's stock. If he was good enough for the Eagles to initially give him the No. 1 job, the theory goes in some NFL corners that he's probably good enough to still start.



                              Why not for us? What's it going to take to get him? A first and a third? A first and a second? Two firsts?

                              At some point in this thought process, someone needs to take a breath and consider what history has taught us about similar transactions.
                              You remember Rob Johnson, too, don't you? After spending two years as a backup in Jacksonville, he had one start in 1997 that was spectacular enough to convince the Bills to give up first- and fourth-round picks and a big contract a year later in hopes that Johnson would become the next Jim Kelly. He didn't.

                              The Texans and Chiefs are more recent examples of clubs that made large investments in both salaries and draft picks in former backups. In 2007, the Texans gave up a pair of second-round picks and swapped first-round choices with the Falcons for Matt Schaub. That deal was made more than a full season after the second of his two career starts with the Falcons. In 2009, the Chiefs spent a second-rounder to land Matt Cassel, who he started practically all of the 2008 season in place of injured Tom Brady.
                              Schaub has put up some impressive numbers during four seasons in Houston, although the jury remains out as to whether he can be the man who leads them to that elusive playoff berth. Cassel showed signs of progress after a disappointing first year in Kansas City, but the man who did plenty to help improve Cassel's game -- offensive coordinator Charlie Weis -- now works at the University of Florida.

                              Then again, teams might not have the chance to trade for Kolb or anyone else before the draft, which obviously could influence their approach to seeking quarterback help.

                              After that, they should be advised to at least be mindful of the "Scott Mitchell Effect."

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                              • #45
                                I like the "Do we love Kevin Kolb? Are you kidding me?" part. Ummm...no, we're not kidding. Mr.Reid, you didn't really answer the question. You just said, "Are you kidding me?" LOL.

                                http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2...kolb#storyjump

                                Andy Reid speaks: Eagles appear more than willing to deal Kevin Kolb

                                That's no surprise of course, but this is the first time that Andy Reid has publicly hinted that they're listening to offers. Paul Domowitch did us the solid of transcribing a few tidbits from an interview Andy Reid did with Dave Spadaro of PE.com.
                                ``People have shown a little interest (in Kolb), and as this thing picks up, I’m sure it will continue,’’ Reid said. ``Listen, we’ll sit back and we’ll evaluate.’’
                                ``He’s ours,’’ Reid said. ``Everything else from there is easy. It’s kind of like what I said last year. If people are interested, they’ll come to you. But on the other hand, do we love Kevin Kolb? Are you kidding me?

                                ``I mean, this guy is a helluva football player. You look at his numbers and the things he did when he had the opportunity to start, and you start six or seven games and you’re the NFC Offensive Player of the Week twice, and all the 300-yard games he put together and the way he commands the offense and all these things, you’re not in a big hurry to get rid of Kevin Kolb.’’
                                It's not often Andy substitutes "helluva" for "heckuva." That's when you know he really means business. We've already beaten the "Trade Kolb?" issue to death here, but I think the translation that we can surmise from Reid's comments here are "Make with a really good offer, and we'll talk."

                                And I like the approach. With so many teams that could potentially be looking to improve/change their starting QB situations this offseason (14 by my count), the supply/demand dictates that Reid can afford to sit back and let the inquiries come to him, and not the other way around.
                                And as always... This is all, of course, assuming that the Eagles can even trade Kolb anytime soon while we wait for some sort of resolution to the labor dispute.

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