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  • Really good article by Roobs on play calling.


    It’s not a matter of, “Who would call plays if Kevin Patullo isn’t doing it?”

    Honestly, it doesn’t even matter.

    All I know is the standards are high around here, and anything short of another Super Bowl championship would be a disappointment. And the Eagles aren’t going to win a Super Bowl with Kevin Patullo calling plays.

    Simple as that.

    We’re 11 games in now, so we’re right around two-thirds of the way through the regular season and has anything changed? Has anything improved? Has anything made you believe the offense is on the cusp of greatness? Has anything given you hope that better days are ahead?

    Not a darn thing.

    If anything, the Eagles’ offense has regressed under Kevin Patullo, and that’s alarming. Early in the season, we were all more concerned with the defense than anything. Four games in, the Eagles were middle of the pack at 23.5 offensive points per game.
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    In seven games since? They’re down to 19.8 points per game, and that includes games with 10, 16, 17, 17, 21 and 21 points. The only time since Week 4 they’ve managed to score more than 21 points is at home against a Giants team that fired its head coach a few weeks later.

    The frustrating thing about the Kevin Patullo offense is that there have been times it’s looked electrifying. A 26-point second half against the Rams. A 24-point first half in Tampa. Thirty-eight points in the Giants rematch. That 21-point explosion to open the game in Dallas Sunday.

    We see it in bits and pieces, but they get figured out eventually. Defenses make adjustments, and once they do, the Eagles are unable to adjust back.

    Good luck trying to find a game where the offense operated efficiently throughout. Good luck trying to find a game where the Eagles enjoyed sustained success in both halves. Good luck trying to find a game where they looked half as good as last year, when an almost identical lineup averaged 29 points and 366 yards per game.

    This year they’re at 21 and 304.

    They can’t run the ball. They can’t consistently get the ball to their elite receivers. They’re among the worst in the league on third down, first downs per game, yards per play, sacks per pass play.

    You name the category, they’re near the bottom.

    Patullo’s play calling lacks creativity and innovation. We’re 11 games in and we haven’t seen an ability to use plays to set up other plays, to sustain early success late in games, to keep defenses off balance, to mix the run game with the pass game to the point where they’re doing both effectively.

    At times, it looks like plays are run randomly with no regard to the play before or the play after. If you told me Patullo was pulling plays out of a hat, I’d believe it.

    Now, all that said, I don’t think Patullo is the entire problem. Injuries on the offensive line have been damaging. Saquon Barkley’s struggles go beyond play calling. Pre-snap penalties wiping out big gains aren’t on the play caller.

    And let’s not lose sight of the fact that this is Nick Sirianni’s offense and a lot of the issues we’re seeing now have popped up here and there under Sirianni himself early in 2021, under Brian Johnson in 2023 and much of the season last year under Kellen Moore. He deserves a big chunk of the blame for an offense loaded with talent struggling the way it has.

    But play calling is an art form, and some people are good at it and some aren’t. Patullo has had enough chances. It’s time to let somebody else give play calling a shot before it’s too late.

    There is no obvious candidate like there was in 2021, when Sirianni replaced himself with Shane Steichen, who was brilliant at it. Play calling is an art form and some guys master it and some don’t. You have to truly understand the strengths and weaknesses of your own players while also getting in the head of opposing coaches so you know what they’re going to do before they do it.

    Steichen did that innately and we’re seeing it this year with the job he’s doing with the Colts.

    So there’s no Shane Steichen waiting in the bullpen, but there’s quarterbacks coach Scot Loeffler. There’s passing game coordinator Parks Frazier. There’s tight ends coach Jason Michael. They’ve all called plays in the past on the college or NFL level and had success with it.

    I don’t even care who does it.

    I just know that after watching the Eagles blow a 21-point 2nd-quarter lead and go scoreless over their final eight drives against a bottom-5 defense, things can’t get a whole lot worse.

    The defense has been very good lately, keeping the Eagles in games despite a consistently listless offense. But to be a champion, you have to be great on both sides of the ball.

    The Eagles are still 8-3 with a chance to do some special things this year.

    But for that to happen, something has to change. Very soon.

    There's no longer any question what that is.

  • #2
    I tend to be I his camp. I’ve said that Patullo doesn’t keep up with the game. No adjustments. No recognition of a weakness in the D. He isn’t the whole problem. Fans have said, I have said, put Hurts under center, put two backs in, where is the three steps and ball comes out right now slant. AJ has hands of steel and started out looking great and then disappeared. Absolutely disappeared. Is that on Patullo or Hurts
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    • #3
      right. he makes no adjustments at all and I think that him getting the play in really late in the playclock is a result of him just completely not knowing what the fuck he's doing.

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      • #4
        Siri is stubborn (bad) and loyal (good). Lurie or Howie needs to tell him to fire Patullo. Either that or just quietly sideline him and bring in new consultant Dougie P to call plays. It is unfortunate that we have an empty suit HC who cannot call plays.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by flyered View Post
          Siri is stubborn (bad) and loyal (good). Lurie or Howie needs to tell him to fire Patullo. Either that or just quietly sideline him and bring in new consultant Dougie P to call plays. It is unfortunate that we have an empty suit HC who cannot call plays.
          the problem with just bringing in a consultant won't matter if KP is calling plays. He doesn't (has never called plays at any level) know what he's doing and has no feel for the game.

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          • #6
            Brian Daboll is going to be a hot commodity next season. He made Josh Allen into what he is and he got the Giants going pretty quickly. The problem is the Giants talent level is sorely lacking and that caught up with him.

            If the Eagles do move on from Patullo and I think they will I'd pay Daboll big time money and give him a multiyear deal to come here and coach this offense.

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            • #7
              Spot on article. However, I disagree with Dallas being a bottom 5 defense. They had 6 starters out much of the year and now have a stud DT in Quinnen Williams. Williams was a huge factor yesterday in their run defense.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pliny View Post
                Spot on article. However, I disagree with Dallas being a bottom 5 defense. They had 6 starters out much of the year and now have a stud DT in Quinnen Williams. Williams was a huge factor yesterday in their run defense.
                Yes, that defensive rating was based on the whole season's performance, which was mostly before their trades.

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                • #9
                  In regard to Patullo, I am of the opinion that he is running Sirianni's offense with some minor tweaks. Without having recently watched any film of the Brian Johnson iteration of the offense (and washing my eyeballs after) I would wager that there would be some, if not a substantial, number of similarities. All this to say that the common element in these continuing issues might be the foundation of the offense itself. Maybe Sirianni should strip his scheme down to the studs and then rebuild it with some of the elements that he, Patullo, Loeffler, or anyone else there with playcalling experience may have picked up in their careers. There's a reason these issues keep cropping up, save for Steichen's intervention and Moore's in-season modifications.

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                  • #10
                    Its easy and lazy to blame the OC. I like Roob but sometimes he writes articles that he THINKS people want to read instead of what is really going on. Patullo is part of the problem but he is NOT THE Problem. Its a combo of things.

                    The fact is this, and most of you will agree with this. This offense is built around the offensive line. For whatever reason, Mailata, Dickerson, Jurgens have taken massive steps back this year. Add in Barkley is a shell of himself and are producing one of the worst run games in the league. They simply are not opening holes and when they do Barkley is missing them.

                    Ok so you know you can't run, so you try and pass. Yesterday Hurts threw the most passes he has thrown all year. It produced 290 yards in the air and a loss. They tried to throw short waggle passes like the two to Goedert and they both worked great, 2 passes 30 yards in total. Hold on though Flag. OPI and a lineman didn't check in. 30 yards and both into FG range called back. I ask this many times whose fault are the penalties? Is it the OC play call that causes AJ Brown to flinch and false start, Fred Johnson hands to the face, Devonta Smith OPI, Toth not lining up correctly, Jurgens false start.

                    The coach that should be squarely in focus right now is Jeff Stoutland. But the olineman make Christmas albums and praise him so he gets a pass.

                    Fact of the matter is this. Lane is out, Fred is a backup for a reason. He didn't play terrible yesterday but he didn't play great either. Steen is a better pass blocker than run blocker and he hasn't been terrible. Jurgens is one of the worst centers in football right now. Dickerson is one of the worst LG in football right now. They both show a glimpse here and there but they are wildly inconsistent and are really having issues inside. Mailata just is not playing anywhere near what he did last year. He is inconsistent right now for sure. Not as bad as Dickerson and Jurgens but pretty far off of what he was last year.

                    Now, the problem with a bad oline presents is this, you can't run despite having a good running back. You also can't take advantage of one of Hurts best strengths which is a deep ball passer. So as a play caller you are limited. You still try it but what happens is sacks, TFL's, missed passes because you players are simply not winning.

                    What I am seeing from Hurts is kinda of what we saw from McNabb as his career went on. Less running, less roll outs and trying to be a pure pocket passer. Hurts isn't a terrible pocket passer but some of his greatest ability is off schedule plays. He is hesitating a split second and costing them. Not all the time but that sack at the end of the game really has me. He had time, rip it to Goedert or get out of the pocket and pick up the two yards with your legs. He froze and got killed for a 13 yard sack.

                    Now what I want to see from Patullo are a few changes. First off I want to see some more true two backs. Not Latu in the backfield, Barkley and Shipley or Barkley and Bigsby. I want to get the ball in Bigsby's hands a little more. I also want them to try and get the ball to Dotson a little more. Teams are really keying in on Brown and Smith, Dotson unfortunately is the 4th option most of the time and Hurts simply doesn't have the time to get it to him. Dotson has really good speed, quick screens, waggles etc. I want to see less under center, the plays take too long. The oline is not holding up enough in those situations.

                    Overall a change in OC is not going to fix this offense. I don't see a fix to some of this other than Dickerson, Mailaita, Barkley and Jurgens simply starting to play better. The offseason they are going to have to seriously look to upgrade the offensive line, the problem here is Dickerson, Mailaita, Barkley and Jurgens are some of the higher paid players on the team.
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                    • #11
                      You know taz, I don't think many people are examining what Stoutland can do to fix this. I haven't. Thanks for shining a light on that. The O-line has been dealing with injuries, but what about the penalties? That's on players and coaches IMO. Stoutland included. and he is the run game coordinator to boot.

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                      • #12
                        I understand the Oline play has been woefully inconsistent. But if Bigsby can average 8 yards carry then they can find a way to run the ball. The penalties have an issue and I truly believe losing Becton hurt a lot more than they will let on. Cam has been bad. And a smallish center with back issues isn't good. Dickerson has been average at best all season. Jordan talj better than he plays these days. But even with that being said the playcalling is worse than vanilla. And it's way too predictable. When I saw 3rd and 2 with Shipley in the backfield I knew it was a pass. And so did Dallas. It was just bad!

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                        • #13
                          Rob... that is a great point. What is different about Bigsby? Is he hitting the hole faster? Saquon was great last year but he is slowing this year. That's obvious. It is disappointing to see.
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                          • #14
                            Saquon isn't seeing the field well! There was one outside run where the hole was there but Barkley kept going outside. He is not seeing the field. I wonder if he saving himself a little. And if that's the case Bigsby should definitely see the field more. Hell with the weather changing I will punish every opposing defense with Barkley Bigsby and Dillon now

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RobLew65 View Post
                              Saquon isn't seeing the field well! There was one outside run where the hole was there but Barkley kept going outside. He is not seeing the field. I wonder if he saving himself a little. And if that's the case Bigsby should definitely see the field more. Hell with the weather changing I will punish every opposing defense with Barkley Bigsby and Dillon now
                              I was just thinking this. The coaches need to rotate Bigsby in more, if only to spell Barkley. And the non-use of Dillon baffles me too. For whatever reason, Barkley does not look as decisive as in the past. Maybe it's tired legs from last season combined with reduced confidence in the OL blocking, or even the offensive scheme in general. Bigsby looks more decisive when given the opportunity. Maybe put Barkley on a pitch count, maybe 15-20 touches. Bigsby can take 10-12.

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