QB playoff comeback stats

[sfphillyfan]

from today's Hoffman article:

(come from behind in the playoffs while trailing in the 4th quarter)

playoff games that he trailed in the fourth quarter.

Tom Brady . . . 6-for-9

Kurt Warner . . . 3-for-6

Eli Manning . . . 3-for-6

Ben Roethlisberger . . . 2-for-4

Brett Favre . . . 2-for-12

Philip Rivers . . . 1-for-3

Donovan McNabb . . . 1-for-7

Peyton Manning . . . 1-for-8

Drew Brees . . . 0-for-2

Tony Romo . . . 0-for-2

[BIGPHILLY]

Does that include a come from behind where the defense blew it - like the Cardinals last year?

[sfphillyfan]

Let's not rehash that all again. McNabb had 2+ mins to come back from another deficit. Kurt Warner did it. Ben Roethlisberger did it. (In the same f'ing game!) A comeback is a comeback. A failure is a failure. No excuses.

We all knew Brady, Roethlisberger, and Warner were clutch. And Romo is a homo. But who wouldve figured Mannning was 1-8 and God 2-12?

By the way, which game is the 1 game that's listed on McNabb's total?

[rspurr]

It had to be 4th and 26. We were down 17-14 before that last drive to tie it.

[sfphillyfan]

It had to be 4th and 26. We were down 17-14 before that last drive to tie it.

Oh yeah.

One of McNabb's greatest moments. One of Dawkins' greatest moments.

Freddie Mitchell's only good moment.

[stevemc]

Freddie Mitchell's only good moment.

Bite your tongue.

[FairOaks]

Bite your tongue.

Damn straight. Freddie had two good moments.

And yes, 1-7 -- Donovan's fault or not -- is going to stick subconsciously with a lot of fans, since we see other QBs do it but don't have many memories ourselves. But it also easy to forget that Peyton has been downright horrible in the playoffs in his career; McNabb has a much better record and QB rating I'm pretty sure. Even the year the Colts won, Peyton was awful for the first game and a half, and it was only their defense -- which had been worst in the league during the regular season -- which came out of nowhere and dominated, giving the Colts the first playoff win. It would be fascinating to see how Manning would be perceived if his defense was just average those two games, meaning they lost and he would still be without a Super Bowl. The Colts are 7-8 in the playoffs the last 10 years (which includes 4-0 their Super Bowl year); Eagles are 10-7. Peyton has won a playoff game in only three seasons.

[sfphillyfan]

Agree on Manning. But it's amazing how a SB ring will change perception isn't it?

I mean, he's sucked for the vast majority of his playoff games but he had ONE great game in that comeback against NE and they win the SB. And he's a shoe in first ballot HoFer.

[sfphillyfan]

Rich also has QB passer rating in losing efforts:

This is a list of their passer ratings in the playoff games that they lose.

Kurt Warner . . . 91.6

Drew Brees . . . 91.5

Tom Brady . . . 79.0

Tony Romo . . . 75.8

Ben Roethlisberger . . . 74.2

Peyton Manning . . . 70.6

Philip Rivers . . . 69.0

Brett Favre . . . 68.0

Donovan McNabb . . . 66.4

Eli Manning . . . 48.4

I'm not sure what he was gettng at but that list leads me to believe:

1) The blame goes to McNabb because he stinks in losses. Outside of the Arizona game, you can hardly say that he played well but everyone else sucked around him (a la Kurt Warner)

2) it's cliche but "The team goes as the QB goes" is more true for the Eagles than most other teams

I'd like to see QB rating in winning efforts. Would it say that someone like Brady or Roethlisberger had close to the same rating? i.e. they had much better teams surrounding them?

[MDFAN]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/.../80882052.html
Phil Sheridan: Eagles' defense escapes blame


By Phil Sheridan
Inquirer Sports Columnist

Here's some advice for all the young football players out there: If you want to avoid blame and escape responsibility, play defense.
That dream of being the quarterback, with the big money and the glory? Forget it. Ask Donovan McNabb and Tony Romo, the two men who will line up behind center in Saturday night's Texas steel-dome match. After a big-game loss, the quarterback takes more heat than all of his teammates combined.


Especially his defensive teammates.
McNabb's harshest critics cite the five Final Four losses of his career as proof that he can't win the big game. And McNabb certainly was not without fault in any of those four conference championship games or that one Super Bowl. That isn't the issue. The issue is that the Eagles defense did almost nothing to win any of those five games.
For all the deserved accolades accorded the late Jim Johnson and the many Pro Bowl players who started and played for the Eagles in those games, the defense was a virtual nonfactor every single time.
In those five games - losses to St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Carolina, New England and Arizona - the Eagles defense produced a total of five quarterback sacks, one interception, and one fumble recovery.
Brian Dawkins? Zero big plays.
Hugh Douglas? Zero big plays.
Troy Vincent? Zero big plays.
Sheldon Brown? Zero big plays.
Derrick Burgess had two sacks. Bobby Taylor had the lone interception, against Tampa Bay.
Corey Simon and Mike Patterson and Lito Sheppard? Zero big plays.
In the 2001 NFC championship loss in St. Louis, Marshall Faulk ran for 159 yards. Carolina had 155 rushing yards at the Linc a couple years later. Everyone remembers Joe Jurevicius' backbreaking catch-and-run in the loss to the Bucs, but the Eagles also managed to let Brad Johnson throw all day without pressure.
The Eagles made two big defensive plays against the Patriots in the Super Bowl: two sacks of Tom Brady, one of which led to a fumble recovered by Darwin Walker.
Last year, the Eagles gave up 32 points in Arizona, including a fourth-quarter touchdown after McNabb led a go-ahead drive. The only turnover in that game was a fumble recovered by Jon Runyan after an interception return.
All of this is relevant because, once again, much of the conversation after Sunday's humiliating loss to the Cowboys has been about McNabb and the offense. That is inevitable when a team as explosive as the Eagles gets shut out in a big game.
Once again, though, focusing on the quarterback obscures the utter lack of production on the defensive side. The Cowboys ran all over the Eagles, building an all-too-easy 17-0 first-half lead. The Dallas defense could play in feeding-frenzy mode, knowing it had plenty of margin for error.
Dallas linebacker Anthony Spencer had a better line than any Eagles defender has had in any of those five big-game losses: two sacks, one QB hurry, forced fumble and another tackle for a loss. This is worth mentioning because it is the kind of performance the Eagles could desperately use Saturday night, and because it was the Eagles who gave Spencer to the Cowboys.
Remember the 2007 draft? The Eagles traded out of the first round, content to draft project quarterback Kevin Kolb in the second round instead of getting players who could contribute right away. They traded that first-round pick to the Cowboys, who took Spencer. So, not only did the Eagles fail to get an impact player with the pick, but they allowed a division rival to get one instead. Remember that when watching the replay of Spencer slapping the ball out of McNabb's hand.
The Eagles have defensive players capable of creating turnovers and pressuring Romo. Trent Cole, Juqua Parker, Asante Samuel and Brown are all proven playmakers. But if this team is going to beat the Cowboys on Saturday, defensive coordinator Sean McDermott has to find a way for someone else to wreak some havoc.
Last weekend, after getting burned on an early blitz, McDermott "backed off the blitz" and tried to play sound, low-risk defense.
"I should not have done that," McDermott said yesterday.
This time, risk is going to have to be part of the plan. Romo has a history of making mistakes when he's feeling the heat, so heat must be the objective. If the Cowboys get some big plays as a result, fine. They had plenty of them last week. If the Eagles can win a gamble or two and score on defense, or create a short field for the offense, that's a trade worth making.
For a decade of big games, the Eagles defense has failed to make big, game-changing plays. That has been as much a factor as any shortcomings from McNabb and the offense. Saturday wouldn't be a bad time to change all of that.

[leifdawg]

2) it's cliche but "The team goes as the QB goes" is more true for the Eagles than most other teams

I think that's because McNabb since day 1 of his second season has been asked to be Superman. When Garcia came in in 2006, Reid completely revamped his offense to take less pressure off the QB position.

[sfphillyfan]

I think that's because McNabb since day 1 of his second season has been asked to be Superman. When Garcia came in in 2006, Reid completely revamped his offense to take less pressure off the QB position.

And yet, Donnie will be run out of town if we lose tomorrow and Reid just got an extension.

hmmmm

[leifdawg]

Personally I think Reid thinks differently than everyone else and will keep McNabb unless someone absolutely blows them away with an offer.

I could see the Eagles giving him another 2-3 years as well and throw the whole signing bonus into the uncapped year.

[MDFAN]

Donnie will not be "run out of town" if they lose tomorrow.

[Foles4SB]

Failure to include in the Arizona game that Mcnabb played a horrible first half, scoring only 6 points and failing to get the ball in the end zone when they needed it to stop Arizona's momentum. He missed at least 5 passes in the first half that should have been made, including the one to Baskett that should have been a touchdown..