Birds 24/7 Rips Lurie and FO

[Eagle60]

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/20.../#more-3073904

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Before anyone asks, no I did not write that.

[Eagle60]

Here's my favorite part

If there was angst within the media, it was built up over time as a result of vagueries on Lurie's part about the level to which Howie Roseman should be held accountable for organizational moves. He ducked several questions along those lines shortly after firing Chip Kelly, saying only: "[Roseman] will have a say in personnel as a collaborator" while pointing to Tom Donahoe as a "crucial hire in a crucial position in terms of player personnel" despite the small fact that Donahoe is little more than a consultant at this stage who commutes from his home in Pittsburgh to Philly a few days a week. After being tracked down by several reporters outside the NovaCare following that presser (despite media relation's efforts to whisk him away), Lurie suggested they would not be adding a general manager and that the collaborative process would be between Roseman, Pederson and Donahoe.
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/20...LbcKhWfAqYj.99

[taz]

Lurie has certainly lost his way or is it he is finding his way back?
It all really started when he and Christina got divorced. Then Joe Banner was gone, then Reid. He then went for the hottest hire as a coach and even as his new wife. I don't know anything about his wife but his fortunes since Banner has left have not been very good. Sure Kelly gave him some fools gold for two seasons but the truth is this team has had its way lost for some time now.

The problem is he did so much damage to this team with the Kelly hire its not something that can be fixed overnight or even in a season. Giving the keys to Kelly might have been the worst mistake this team has ever made. The personnel department is in shambles right now, quite frankly he is lucky to still have Donahue and Howie around. At least they both have experience running a draft and with contracts and free agency.
But this is where the coming back thing is, he knows he needs a true personnel guy a true GM, he also knows you simply can't get them this time of the year. Nobody worth a damn is going to be granted permission to interview. So he has to wait till after the draft.

I really believe Lurie wants to win a SuperBowl. I think his impatience for that has clouded his judgement. We got the game in 2004 with a steady rise. No dream team, no blow the entire thing up. Sure we added TO and Kearse that year but for the most part that team was a home grown team. I believe that is what Lurie is trying to get back to. At least I hope so.

[Eagle60]

Lurie has certainly lost his way or is it he is finding his way back?
It all really started when he and Christina got divorced. Then Joe Banner was gone, then Reid. He then went for the hottest hire as a coach and even as his new wife. I don't know anything about his wife but his fortunes since Banner has left have not been very good. Sure Kelly gave him some fools gold for two seasons but the truth is this team has had its way lost for some time now.

The problem is he did so much damage to this team with the Kelly hire its not something that can be fixed overnight or even in a season. Giving the keys to Kelly might have been the worst mistake this team has ever made. The personnel department is in shambles right now, quite frankly he is lucky to still have Donahue and Howie around. At least they both have experience running a draft and with contracts and free agency.
But this is where the coming back thing is, he knows he needs a true personnel guy a true GM, he also knows you simply can't get them this time of the year. Nobody worth a damn is going to be granted permission to interview. So he has to wait till after the draft.

I really believe Lurie wants to win a SuperBowl. I think his impatience for that has clouded his judgement. We got the game in 2004 with a steady rise. No dream team, no blow the entire thing up. Sure we added TO and Kearse that year but for the most part that team was a home grown team. I believe that is what Lurie is trying to get back to. At least I hope so.

I really think Kelly's "damage" is being hugely overstated by just about everybody on the planet. We're stuck with Murray for a year (he's not THAT bad) and we overpaid Maxwell but he's pretty good. We're out a #2 pick but have 2 #3's. That's the damage. I guess that he has blame for the FO too, but who fired Marynowicz!!! That was pretty fuckin stupid if you ask me.

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I think the piece does a good job of laying a fir share of the blame at Luries feet. Kelly was simply one of his misfires. One of several.

[Eagle60]

I think the piece does a good job of laying a fir share of the blame at Luries feet. Kelly was simply one of his misfires. One of several.

Well, he's not the first guy to get screwed up over women. But why he's got goo goo eyes for Howie is totally mystifying.

[taz]

I really think Kelly's "damage" is being hugely overstated by just about everybody on the planet. We're stuck with Murray for a year (he's not THAT bad) and we overpaid Maxwell but he's pretty good. We're out a #2 pick but have 2 #3's. That's the damage. I guess that he has blame for the FO too, but who fired Marynowicz!!! That was pretty fuckin stupid if you ask me.

Oh its more than Kelly for sure we started going south when Banner left and Christina divorced him. (Don't know if that has anything to do with it) but the Kelly situation brought it all to a head.

As far as Kelly goes its not so much the bad contracts he left us with its the players he let walk out the door, from McCoy, to Foles, To Maclin to even Evan Mathis and DeSean Jackson. We have Kiko Alonzo to show for all of them. He really set this organization back 3 years and in the NFL that is an eternity.

[Eagle60]

Oh its more than Kelly for sure we started going south when Banner left and Christina divorced him. (Don't know if that has anything to do with it) but the Kelly situation brought it all to a head.

As far as Kelly goes its not so much the bad contracts he left us with its the players he let walk out the door, from McCoy, to Foles, To Maclin to even Evan Mathis and DeSean Jackson. We have Kiko Alonzo to show for all of them. He really set this organization back 3 years and in the NFL that is an eternity.

But we have Vinny Curry and Celek for the same money!!

[NoDakIggle]

Giving Chip the whole bucket was the problem in my mind. The same with Andy. Both are high end coaches and the coach needs a big say in his players but it is the rarest of rare who should run the whole show

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Chip had showed that with playmakers on the roster, he could have some success. but he got ridof the playmakers, and brought guys who were misfits. Both Murray and Byron Maxwell. That is that part that really seems whack For the schemes the the eagles were running, neither guy fit wtih what they were being asked to do. Chip sank himselfwith he personnel decisions. The relationship issues with others in the organization was simply ising on the cake. Good relationships can buy you some grace. He didn't have that, so it was WIN, or Buh-bye.

But this team has lost all sense of structure, consistency and stability, and that is on Lurie.

[Eagle60]

Chip had showed that with playmakers on the roster, he could have some success. but he got ridof the playmakers, and brought guys who were misfits. Both Murray and Byron Maxwell. That is that part that really seems whack For the schemes the the eagles were running, neither guy fit wtih what they were being asked to do. Chip sank himselfwith he personnel decisions. The relationship issues with others in the organization was simply ising on the cake. Good relationships can buy you some grace. He didn't have that, so it was WIN, or Buh-bye.

But this team has lost all sense of structure, consistency and stability, and that is on Lurie.

Nailed it Fresh! Some front offices work, but most don't. As I said before most organizations have this problem. Chip was totally of base asking for all that power, but I'm convinced Howie is a jerk to "work" for. Coaches all want to totally run the show, but it's a hell of a lot easier to take being told no by a Tom Modrak than an glorified office boy.

[tinopuno]

Giving Chip the whole bucket was the problem in my mind. The same with Andy. Both are high end coaches and the coach needs a big say in his players but it is the rarest of rare who should run the whole show

Lurie deserves the lion's share of the blame for the current state of the Eagles, IMO, for the reasons you state.

When Kelly came to him and demanded/pleaded for total control of personnel, Lurie had 3 pieces of information that SHOULD have made him unwilling to risk the future of his billion dollar enterprise to an unproven NFL novice:

#1) Kelly was just that...an absolute novice when it came to the highly complex and time demanding job of GM of an NFL team.

#2) Lurie had just witnessed first hand what an overall deplorable job his bright, hardworking, VERY experienced NFL head coach had ultimately done when given the same complete personnel control Kelly now sought.

#3) The only concrete evidence Lurie had available to him re: Kelly's ability to perform the GM role was the highly questionable (and arguably premature and impulsive) disposal of his Pro Bowl WO for nothing in return.

Any one of the above factors should have been enough for Lurie to hesitate. Taken together, they should have been enough to say, "No".
For Lurie, supposedly a keen businessman, to justify his poorly considered decision as somehow being a 'trial' to make Kelly "accountable" for his demands is mind boggling in it's irresponsibility.

The subtext of Lurie's retrospective explanation for his foolishness seems to be, "I was really skeptical of Kelly's demands for complete control. But since he insisted, I responded by structuring the arrangement in a way that, if things went in the toilet, I could point directly at him and say, 'This is all your fault.' And as you all can now see, my plan worked perfectly. I let Kelly prove he was over his heard."

But seriously, can we men really blame Jeffey? He had more pressing matters weighing on his mind...nubile young trim.

[Eagle60]

Lurie deserves the lion's share of the blame for the current state of the Eagles, IMO, for the reasons you state.

When Kelly came to him and demanded/pleaded for total control of personnel, Lurie had 3 pieces of information that SHOULD have made him unwilling to risk the future of his billion dollar enterprise to an unproven NFL novice:

#1) Kelly was just that...an absolute novice when it came to the highly complex and time demanding job of GM of an NFL team.

#2) Lurie had just witnessed first hand what an overall deplorable job his bright, hardworking, VERY experienced NFL head coach had ultimately done when given the same complete personnel control Kelly now sought.

#3) The only concrete evidence Lurie had available to him re: Kelly's ability to perform the GM role was the highly questionable (and arguably premature and impulsive) disposal of his Pro Bowl WO for nothing in return.

Any one of the above factors should have been enough for Lurie to hesitate. Taken together, they should have been enough to say, "No".
For Lurie, supposedly a keen businessman, to justify his poorly considered decision as somehow being a 'trial' to make Kelly "accountable" for his demands is mind boggling in it's irresponsibility.

The subtext of Lurie's retrospective explanation for his foolishness seems to be, "I was really skeptical of Kelly's demands for complete control. But since he insisted, I responded by structuring the arrangement in a way that, if things went in the toilet, I could point directly at him and say, 'This is all your fault.' And as you all can now see, my plan worked perfectly. I let Kelly prove he was over his heard."

But seriously, can we men really blame Jeffey? He had more pressing matters weighing on his mind...nubile young trim.

[dawkins20]

I feel like I am rehashing this, but......

I blame Lurie 100% and this is the first time as an Eagles fan that I think he really made the wrong move in firing Kelly

IMHO this move will set the team back for years.

I hope to hell I am wrong on this. But to me, this is a cluster and I expect life as an Eagles fan to suck for the next 3-4 years