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[Vote for Kalas]

VFK, I strongly suspect that the reason Donte did not want to focus on a contract midseason when that topic came up was becasue he had been injured, and he wanted to show what he could bring to the table. Healthy. There was little point in talking contract whaen he was in the posiition of not showing his contributions.

But he DID get healthy, and he showed SO much, not just in receiving but in his whole gae. his attitude, his commitment to helping the team win games in ANY way possible, be it breaking up pases, blocking, chasing people down, whatever. He showed NO give-up, and I think that is truly what I learned to love about him this year.

So, I think he finally got to show everyone what he was all about, and now is a good time to try to talk. As much as people say he's be foolish to not want to see his value in FA, I say there is also NO WAY that he would refuse to listen to an ofer for the Iggs, now that the season is over. NO WAY. He will listen.

Very possible, Fresh...the Eagles could have also shied away due to that injury issue and then by the time he did get healthy again and showed his talents, the Eagles may have circled back and Donte/Rosendouche said lets wait...or the Eagles never circled back believing they had given Donte his shot and he rejected them...

Lots of possible scenarios and we unfortunately will probably never know the whole truth...

I agree he played very well overall when healthy and I think the Eagles know fully well what they have in him...as others said they traded Simy and a draft pick for him and his salary so they certainly showed they value him...do they feel the same now? Has anything caused them to lessen their opinion of him? I do not think so...

Of course, Donte will hopefully listen to the Eagles, again it would be stupid not to, but there is a big difference between listening and signing...he would have to hear big $ signs IMO to not listen to the siren call of FA...

[FRESH]

Very possible, MD. I would understand that reasoning of not wanting to talk at that time by Donte. It would have been foolish. But I can't say that I believe the Eagles would have wanted to talk to him at that time either. Didn't have enough to go on.

[MDFAN]

Very possible, MD. I would understand that reasoning of not wanting to talk at that time by Donte. It would have been foolish. But I can't say that I believe the Eagles would have wanted to talk to him at that time either. Didn't have enough to go on.

And I find that the Eagles had every reason to talk to him during the season, while they had a better bargaining position,,,,,,,,, and I can also understand why he would reject them till after he gets to FA.

And I find that you're "suspicion" is no more plausible then my made up "suspicion". That was my point. Nobody knows anything. And there is not any more evidence to suspect one thing or the other here, JIMHO.

Logic tells me though that unless the Eagles do or did blow his doors off with a huge contract in season ---- he and his agent are going to test the FA marketplace.

And to blame the Eagles and/or AR is ridiculous.

I hope I'm wrong and that they can find a way to work it out before FA but with all the realities factored in.... I don't see it happening.

The Eagles save a draft slot.

RosensharkWhur(TM) stands to make the best deal for his client!

RosensharkWhur(TM) stands to make the best deal for himself!.

Donte needs to know what his worth is before he can committ to the Eagles or anybody else.

It's the way FA works for the most part when you 'rent' a guy for a year.

The only party that gets anything out of him signing before the FA deadline is --------------us, the fans.

We get peace of mind.

And since none of this involves "us", we don't count in this process.

[fanofthegame76]

E60,

I honestly think that if the difference between Donte and the Eagles comes to whatever money Mike Patterson is making, that they will reach an agreement.

In other words, I am pretty positive that Patteron's extension will not have any impact whatsoever on Stallworth's contract.

I think the Eagles will be willing to pay more than the average price for him, however I think I'll be more upset if we resigned Stallworth and did not address any other needs.

And not only that, you can't say that Patterson was a bad signing yet. You might want to wait a year or two, when his salary actually impacts the cap to such extent, and only if he has not improved at all.

I think he needs one at least more season under his belt to be proven overpaid or not.

[FRESH]

"The Eagles save a draft slot. "

I'm not so sure of that, MD. At this point, I don't beleive the Eagles save a slot by waiting til FA. They MAY in fact be on the hook if they sign him for 2007 regardless of the timing.

[MDFAN]

"The Eagles save a draft slot. "

I'm not so sure of that, MD. At this point, I don't beleive the Eagles save a slot by waiting til FA. They MAY in fact be on the hook if they sign him for 2007 regardless of the timing.

Interesting, I was going on what has been widely publicized, that if the Eagles sign him before FA they have to give up a 3rd and if they don't sign him before FA they only give up a 4th.


Seems to me that if he hits FA, the Saints can't make anymore demands on the Eagles. Since the Eagles have no more leverage at that point than any other club does in resigning him.


Guess this calls for the Cap guys, either Poco or Steve to jump in.

[FRESH]

I'd love to have a decisive clarification on it too, MD.

[MDFAN]

I'd love to have a decisive clarification on it too, MD.

I would also.

But in the end, it really doesn't make too much difference because Donte and RosensharkWhur(TM) still control almost the entire process now.

[stevemc]

Well - I don't have anything concrete but my understanding is that if he's extended, it's a third. If he isn't - it's a 4th. The contract year ends March 1st or whatever so to "extend" someone means you are under contract and it is extended. After the 2006 contract year ends, it is no longer an extension.

If we sign him some time in March, I feel pretty certain it stays a 4th because otherwise it's ambiguous. Think about it - if the Birds were REALLY in cahoots with Stallworth, they could wait to sign him until after the draft and the pick had to be made during the draft - how would you reconcile it then? Therefore I think it has to do with a contract year ending/beginning just like free agency's start date.

[eaglefan55]

Excellent point on Rosenjerk, he'll do his best to make sure that Stallworth signs no deal and becomes a FA, and drives the cost WAY up, probably out of the Eagles' price range. Birds have their work cut out for them if they want to sign him.

I'm not so sure Rosenhaus will actually be difficult as if holding a grudge or something, I think it's all about business at this point between he and the Eagles

[MDFAN]

Excellent point on Rosenjerk, he'll do his best to make sure that Stallworth signs no deal and becomes a FA, and drives the cost WAY up, probably out of the Eagles' price range. Birds have their work cut out for them if they want to sign him.

I'm not so sure Rosenhaus will actually be difficult as if holding a grudge or something, I think it's all about business at this point between he and the Eagles

55, not sure I can speak for BE, but my point was never that he would do it out of spite, only that he would do it cause it's in his clients best interest and his own to do it.

[balto-eaglefan]

Oh, right, I don't think that Rosenshark has an ax to grind with the Eagles either. But he wants to make the most money for himself and his client, and his best way to do that (far as I know) would be for Stallworth to be a FA and let the bidding start.

[FRESH]

Well - I don't have anything concrete but my understanding is that if he's extended, it's a third. If he isn't - it's a 4th. The contract year ends March 1st or whatever so to "extend" someone means you are under contract and it is extended. After the 2006 contract year ends, it is no longer an extension.

If we sign him some time in March, I feel pretty certain it stays a 4th because otherwise it's ambiguous. Think about it - if the Birds were REALLY in cahoots with Stallworth, they could wait to sign him until after the draft and the pick had to be made during the draft - how would you reconcile it then? Therefore I think it has to do with a contract year ending/beginning just like free agency's start date.

Makes sense, but the real difining point I guess is whether the 3rd is conditional on an "extension" or if it a matter of whether or not he is on our 2007 roster. Without having the contact to read, or someone from one of the two parties coming forward with clarification, we are left to speculate.

[stevemc]

Well - I don't have anything concrete but my understanding is that if he's extended, it's a third. If he isn't - it's a 4th. The contract year ends March 1st or whatever so to "extend" someone means you are under contract and it is extended. After the 2006 contract year ends, it is no longer an extension.

If we sign him some time in March, I feel pretty certain it stays a 4th because otherwise it's ambiguous. Think about it - if the Birds were REALLY in cahoots with Stallworth, they could wait to sign him until after the draft and the pick had to be made during the draft - how would you reconcile it then? Therefore I think it has to do with a contract year ending/beginning just like free agency's start date.

Makes sense, but the real difining point I guess is whether the 3rd is conditional on an "extension" or if it a matter of whether or not he is on our 2007 roster. Without having the contact to read, or someone from one of the two parties coming forward with clarification, we are left to speculate.

but again - it can't be a 2007 roster thing because that is set AFTER the compensation in the form of the draft pick has been collected.

[FRESH]

I gotcha. I think you have a valid point there.