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  • Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

    Oooooh, now I am truly pissed..............and he said, "Duh, I didn't know it was illegal!" I might revise my sig to add the line, "The Patriots have never won a Super Bowl without video support" or "We was ROBBED in XXXIX".................



    Specter: Belichick Was Taping Since 2000
    By LAURIE KELLMAN – 11 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.

    "There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter said.

    Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour, 40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes.

    "There were a great many questions answered by Commissioner Goodell," Specter, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters after the meeting. "I found a lot of questions unanswerable because of the tapes and notes had been destroyed."

    Goodell said Belichick told him he believed the taping was legal; Goodell said he did not concur.

    "He said that's always been his interpretation since he's been the head coach," the commissioner said. "We are going to agree to disagree on the facts."


    Specter, from Pennsylvania, wants to talk to other league officials about what exactly was taped and which games may have been compromised.

    "We have a right to have honest football games," he said.

    Goodell noted that "we were the ones that disclosed" the Patriots' illegal taping of the New York Jets' defensive signals in Week 1 of last season. Further, Goodell said, they had an admission by Belichick.

    "I have nothing to hide," Goodell said.

    Goodell also told Specter that that he doesn't regret destroying the Spygate tapes or the notes.

    "I think it was the right thing to do," Goodell said.

    Still, Specter wants to know why penalties were imposed on Belichick before the full extent of the wrongdoing was known and the tapes destroyed in a two-week span. Asked if he thinks there was a coverup, Specter demurred.

    "There was an enormous amount of haste," Specter said.

    He scoffed at the reasons Goodell gave for destroying the tapes and notes, particularly about trying to keep them out of competitors' hands and because Belichick had admitted to the taping.

    "What's that got to do with it? There's an admission of guilt, you preserve the evidence," Specter said. As for keeping the tapes out of the hands of others: "All you have to do is lock up the tapes."

    Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team was fined $250,000 because of the Spygate incident. The Patriots also forfeited a first-round draft pick.

    Specter has questioned the quality of the NFL's investigation into the matter and raised the possibility of congressional hearings if he wasn't satisfied with Goodell's answers. Specter also raised the threat of Congress canceling the league's antitrust exemption and reiterated that in the meeting with Goodell.

    Goodell also said he has not heard from Matt Walsh, the former Patriots employee who performed some videotaping duties for the team.

    Walsh told The Associated Press last week during the Pro Bowl in Hawaii that he couldn't talk about allegations that he taped a walkthrough practice by the St. Louis Rams before the 2002 Super Bowl. New England, a two-touchdown underdog, won that game 20-17.

    Goodell said he has offered Walsh a deal whereby "he has to tell the truth and he has to return anything he took improperly" in return for indemnity. Specter said he, too, wanted to talk to Walsh and perhaps offer a different deal.

    Goodell also said he reserves the right to reopen the investigation if more information is uncovered.
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    Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

    Saw this online:


    One guy says he might make some bootleg "Eagles Super Bowl XXXIX Champions" t-shirts and caps. Not a bad idea, I'm sure he'll make a few bucks.
    "Philly fans are great....It's the only place where you pull up on the bus and you've got the grandfather, the grandmother, the kids and the grandkids - everybody flicking you off. At other stadiums, they give you the thumbs-down. Here, they give you the middle finger.”
    — Michael Strahan

    "No one likes us, no one likes us, no one likes us, we don’t care, we’re from Philly, F—-ing Philly, No one likes us, we don’t care!”
    - Jason Kelce with the best championship speech ever

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    • #3
      Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

      Not suprising IMO...

      I bet Goodell is steaming this is coming out and he has to do this two-step with Specter, but I think it is perfectly reasonable to wonder why he never talked with Walsh during his "full" investigation into the matter and why he destroyed all the available evidence so quickly. It definitely gives the appearance the NFL wanted this swept under the rug asap and everyone to move on. It is sad it takes a senator of Specter's stature to call him out and shine some needed light on what went on, but if that is what it takes so be it IMO. The integrity of the game is the important thing.
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      • #4
        Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

        Originally posted by Vote for Kalas
        Not suprising IMO...

        I bet Goodell is steaming this is coming out and he has to do this two-step with Specter, but I think it is perfectly reasonable to wonder why he never talked with Walsh during his "full" investigation into the matter and why he destroyed all the available evidence so quickly. It definitely gives the appearance the NFL wanted this swept under the rug asap and everyone to move on. It is sad it takes a senator of Specter's stature to call him out and shine some needed light on what went on, but if that is what it takes so be it IMO. The integrity of the game is the important thing.
        Though a case can be made for all of them, IMHO Goodell and Selig are the main bad guys on our national sports scene. It is clear that both of them have been every bit as devious and underhanded in their actions, inactions and lies as any of the many pro players under question. They should be held to the highest standards of honesty and integrity and they have both failed miserably.

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        • #5
          Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

          FD

          Goodell still gets a pass until all the evidence floats up.

          I think Stern is the worst due the referee scandal, then Selig and his steroid boys, the Bettmen with his gross incompentency and radical desires to change hockey, and then Goodell.

          Goody does have a chance to move up the list.

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          • #6
            Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

            Originally posted by Luzinski's Gut
            FD

            Goodell still gets a pass until all the evidence floats up.

            I think Stern is the worst due the referee scandal, then Selig and his steroid boys, the Bettmen with his gross incompentency and radical desires to change hockey, and then Goodell.

            Goody does have a chance to move up the list.
            Good call on Stern and Bettmen too LG. On No-Goodell as I like to call him, the latest evidence is that Bellicheat has been at this since 2000. Thus it is no isolated incident and there is no way a commish should tolerate a difference of opinion about whether or not such actions were "illegal". He has clearly downplayed the magnitude of the offence, withheld important info from the rest of the league and the paying public and then destroyed evidence that may (we'll never know) have sustantiated that there is even more too it. How can he not have initiated a full scale investigation is beyond my comprehension, unless he is trying to hide some facts or truths. Spector needs to call a hearing, Walsh, Bellicheat and every current and past employee involved and stick them under oath. That would put No-Goodell on trial at least indirectly.

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            • #7
              Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

              The "fact" that Bellichick thought what he was doing since 2000 was legal - when clearly the NFL thinks otherwise - just goes to how show how often the Patriots probably did this. So he started doing this in 2000 ... and got caught 7 years later ... does anyone still think these practices didn't really have an impact on the game?

              (And I put fact in quotes b/c I find it hard to believe that BB thought all of that was legal.)

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              • #8
                Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

                Gary Cobb is right on with his opinion. The Pats are forever tarnished.

                "Patriots Titles Are DefinitelyTarnished
                Written by Garry Cobb
                Thursday, 14 February 2008
                It's now fact that Bill Belichick has been cheating since the 2000 season and it can't be brushed off as no big deal. Why do you think coaches and players look at 1000's hours of video tape to try to be able to anticipate what the other team is going to do?
                The reason Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are great is their anticipation. The reason one team is good or great and another team with just as much or more athletic ability isn't as good is anticipation. One team is playing with their intelligence and has a good idea what the other team is going to do, while another team is just playing with athletic ability.

                Using the footage of the other team's coaches to figure out their signals is flat-out cheating. Why was it done in such a clandestine manner if it wasn't a big deal? Why did Belichick continue taping opposing coaches even after Roger Goodell sent out a memo telling every team that this was against the rules, if there was little advantage in doing it?

                It's a tremendous advantage to know what defense your opponent is going to run and what plays they are going to attempt. The reason a veteran can compete with a young more athletic player is because he can better anticipate what he is going to face.

                I figured this out a couple years after becoming a pro and it made a huge difference in myself as a player. Do you think Andy Reid, Dick Vermeil, and other countless coaches who sleep in their offices are doing it for their health? They are trying to be able to decipher from video tapes and computer charts and information, what they should anticipate from their opponent in certain situations.

                There's not a lot that separates the good teams from the bad teams and the great teams from the good teams. There's not a lot of difference from the guy who runs a 4.5 forty yard dash and the guy that runs a 4.4 forty, but it's the difference in winning and losing.

                What the difference in the guy who takes steroids and the guy doesn't? The guy who does steroids can bench press 500 pounds and the guy who doesn't can do 450. It's not a big difference but it's the difference between winning and losing. All the baseball players who cheated are disgraced but the NFL is giving Belichick a free pass.

                A guy who took steroids hits a ball 20 feet longer now and that's the difference in a home run and a long fly ball. Over a season, it helped Barry Bonds go from 45 home runs to 65.

                I definitely believe it had something to do with the success of the Patriots.

                Great quarterbacks and offensive and defensive coordinators are able to anticipate what the other team is going to do. Defensive coaches study the down and distance, and formation to anticipate what play they're going to see. Belichick and his coaches were studying that and the signals of opposing coaches.

                Each team has to send its upcoming opponent tapes of its last three games. Why don't the teams also send tapes of the coaches sending in signals? This is outside the league rules and Belichick knew this back in 2000.

                NFL commissioner Roger Goodell tried to look the other way on this because it's not good for the league. Unfortunately the government has to step in when businesses who are given exemption from Anti-trust legislation refuse to police themselves.

                Last Updated ( Thursday, 14 February 2008 ) "

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                • #9
                  Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

                  This makes me sick.

                  MLB: Steriods
                  NBA: ref scandals
                  NFL: illegal taping
                  Hockey: Nothing yet, but it seems no one is watching anyway.

                  I am surprised this isn't getting more press yet but perhaps the timing is perfect givin that Roger Clemens is in the spotlight for a yeoman's job of avoiding direct questions. It makes sense given the magnitude of the penalty vs the original explanation (1 game of taping). While Tom Brady may or may not have known a lot of details of what was going on but his reputation is now at risk as well even though he personally didn't do anything wrong but simply benefited from the illegal acts. I say erase all their wins in the admitted era. Don't award their superbowl victories to anyone, however, no team would accept it anyway.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

                    to me, this is so much bigger than the Clemens thing. Clemens taking steroids is important, but we already know that it was rampant throughtout the past 15 years.

                    The Pats cheating thing has ruined the integrity of games for 7 years. Why is this important to Congress? When you make money hand over fist from unsuspecting consumers on shirts, hats, and all kinds of other stuff, someone needs to make sure they're not being defrauded. And that's what this is starting to look like ... a defrauding of not only other teams in the NFL, but fans who pay these chumps' salaries.

                    And the pats should be forced to use this logo (found on some random dude's site):

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                    • #11
                      Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

                      Good one fly!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

                        Originally posted by fly
                        The "fact" that Bellichick thought what he was doing since 2000 was legal - when clearly the NFL thinks otherwise - just goes to how show how often the Patriots probably did this. So he started doing this in 2000 ... and got caught 7 years later ... does anyone still think these practices didn't really have an impact on the game?

                        (And I put fact in quotes b/c I find it hard to believe that BB thought all of that was legal.)
                        That's right if he thought it was legal you'd have to say he was slacking off on his job and committment to winning if ever there was a time when he didn't do it.

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                        • #13
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                          Vet Turf

                          The NHL has had their scandals - it's the actual quality of the game. Way too many penalties, more refs, and general pussification of the game. In addition, expansion fees are high and that's why ALL sports, but the NHL in general, want more expansion.

                          The BLUF is that there is way too much money involved with pro sports for this shit not to continuing to occur in the future. I've actually started to lose my interest in sports slowly over the last few years because I see the greed and corruption taking center stage. This is a societal problem as well - the gap between have and have nots is growing wider by the year.

                          The "gotta get mine" mentality is ruining us.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

                            Since when has ignorance of the law been an acceptable defense? I seem to remember Goodell telling Vick that "not knowing" about an illegal activity on his property wasn't acceptable. But when it comes to the Patriots and Bellicheat "not knowing" he was breaking the rules it's suddenly ok? In Vick's case he said that someone else was responsible for the infraction and he had no knowledge of it (at least that's what he said during his conversations with Roger). Here, Bellicheat is DIRECTLY INVOLVED and he accepts the "I didn't know it was wrong" crap? Anyone else find this a convenient double standard? I am becoming more and more convinced that our new "tough" sheriff is nothing more than a "tell them what they want to hear" yes man. If the public outcry over Vick hadn't been so loud, I think Vick would have been fined and told to go work at a shelter in the off season and nothing more would have been said about it. In this case the league has a chance to cover up depth of the cheating scandal and they are jumping at it. I've lost so much respect for the NFL and Goodell that honestly I'm fighting to continue to give a shit about football. It really won't take a whole lot more of the cheating and cover up scandals in pro sports for me to find other interests and hobbies.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Specter: Belichick's been taping since 2000

                              Goodell - Blew this one ----- rushed to destroy the tapes (if they really did) only to try and save the game from the same public scrutiny they are about to go through. He should have known better. And even the punishments he handed out were minor "BEFORE" we knew it had been going on for 8 years. The cheating had been going on for 8 years and despite the league specific memo--- warranted a much higher penalty --- much higher.

                              Belicheat- Knew exactly what he was doing. He has been around the league and football for years. Why is it that no other coach "thought" it was legal? Cause Belicheat didn't either and that is just his excuse. He is an arrogant SOB and this just falls into that same pattern. He has singlehandedly put a black eye on the last 8 years of NFL contests. He should be banned from the league.

                              The Cheaters - If the owner "didn't" know about this then I can't say to much, I'm not that much into blaming people if they didn't know. But the penalty that the organization suffered was a slap on the wrist (again this is on Goodell cause he didn't want the extent of the problem known). But if this organization is "the gold standard" they should, today, -- fire Belicheat and offer to give back all 3 Lombardi's and waive their right to ANY draft picks this year. Now that would be the honorable thing to do, IF they were the first class organization they claim to be.

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