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  • OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

    .....what can I say, I was listening to it while driving home to Baltimore today....

    Eskin had Mike Schmidt as a guest on his show today. Anybody who heard it, feel free to set me straight if I got the details wrong. While asking him about how things were going with the tropical storm, asking him about why the Phillies have been inconsistent lately (after mentioning how some players were doing, he thought that the Phillies' hitters were just plain striking out too much and killing their own rallies), saying some things about a charity golf tournament, and a "548 red zinfandel" wine that Schmidt's selling for charity, he also asked him about the recent press that J-Roll got for saying that Phillies fans were front runners.

    Schmidt mentioned that some of what J-Roll said might've been taken out of context, but after a while Eskin started asking Schmidt if he thought that Philly fans had a right to boo their athletes. They went back and forth for a long time, but a few things seemed to stick out:
    - both Schmidt and Eskin agreed that anyone who thinks that Philly fans are front runners is wrong
    - Schmidt believed that booing does not make an athlete perform better, and saying that it's ok because it encourages the athlete to try harder the next time is wrong, because instead it's more likely to be counterproductive and make the athlete press and lose focus
    - he understood that the fans are booing the athlete's performance, but said that the fans don't realize that the athlete feels like the fans are booing the athlete as a person...and that because the fans are only the booing the performance, they'll cheer super loud the moment that the performance turns around (i.e. you strike out three times, they'll yell profanities at you as you jog to the dugout. You hit a home run to win the game in your next at bat, you get a standing ovation).
    - he believed that booing is for guys who are clearly disrespecting the game, the fans or their team, and that booing somebody who gave a full effort but had a bad night is wrong
    - Eskin tried to put a positive spin on the booing that Schmidt received during his career, saying that "Well, you handled it though. You handled it just fine, you had three MVP seasons and a Hall of Fame career" and really Schmidt didn't buy that he "handled it fine." Schmidt mentioned that he wished that he handled it better earlier in his career. Eskin said that he didn't know what Schmidt meant, and mentioned the "wig and shades" incident as a good example of Schmidt handling Philly fans well. Schmidt responded that they had better things to talk about than that particular incident. Although he suggested that Larry Andersen might want to loan J-Roll a wig and shades.
    - Schmidt also mentioned that in a lot of big league cities, "booing by our home town fans" as a sports subject simply doesn't come up in other big market sports cities, and that for Philly fans to talk about it as much as they do, is a sad statement on Philly sports. Eskin countered that the sports culture in some particular cities is simply just that way, that we're no worse than a few other cities and that it's better than having an apathetic fanbase (he mentioned New York and Boston in particular). I don't recall Schmidt's response to this.

    I lost radio reception as I got closer to home, so I don't remember much more than this.

    My opinion? It'll take a long sustained run of championships by various teams to ease up on the venom that Philly fans say. It's funny to hear the WIP guys go out of their way not to piss off the fanbase, while the newspaper guys will sometimes call the fanbase out now and then. I guess the WIP guys are worried and don't want their phones ringing off the hook with call-in fans telling them that they're jerks.
    "Philly fans are great....It's the only place where you pull up on the bus and you've got the grandfather, the grandmother, the kids and the grandkids - everybody flicking you off. At other stadiums, they give you the thumbs-down. Here, they give you the middle finger.”
    — Michael Strahan

    "No one likes us, no one likes us, no one likes us, we don’t care, we’re from Philly, F—-ing Philly, No one likes us, we don’t care!”
    - Jason Kelce with the best championship speech ever

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    Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

    How anybody thinks that booing a player helps is beyond me. How somebody can think that it somehow is going to "help" a player is mind boggling. People amaze me.
    "Hey Giants, who's your Daddy?"

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      Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

      Yeah, I am really thinking that the booing is useless unless the player did something stupid or didn't hustle. I tend to boo stupid players. (Like Dalembert.)

      of course, I LOVE booing when someone in the stands drops a foul ball. That always makes me laugh.

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      • #4
        Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

        Originally posted by sfphillyfan
        of course, I LOVE booing when someone in the stands drops a foul ball. That always makes me laugh.
        Well, that's someone who clearly DESERVES to be booed!

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        • #5
          Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

          I boo when a player is clearly...I mean CLEARLY...Not giving 100% and is just ill prepared and not giving what they should.

          That's why people have a field day with overweight players like Kevin Millwood, Brett Myers and Jon Lieber. These guys don't even try to stay in shape and then I'm supposed to listen when they say "I'm doing all I can."

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          • #6
            Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

            This appear to be a simple issue to me.

            1. Fans have the "right" to boo.


            2. Does it generally help the situation? Can't imagine it ever helping anything except maybe making the fan feel good about himself. Frankly never understood the concept of thinking that booing would help a player. Player makes an error, think he doesn't know it was bad until the fans Boo and he sez, "oh shit glad the fans let me know about that, I woulda missed it"


            3. Basically if a player "boo's" back, as Rollins did, he is being too sensitive and taking it personally --- yet the fans are just as sensitive and childlike by never being able to accept a little criticism of their own. Again a concept I never understood, fans can't be questioned?

            The bottom line is that way too much is made out of any comments athletes make today.

            As for Schmidt, he sez it bothered him, my god, can you imagine what he might have done, if true, and the fans just appreciated the good things he did?

            Disclaimer #127654--- No, I'm not saying that there aren't times when a boo might be in order, or that the fans of Philly are the reason that none of these teams have won----- but IMO, it's one of the factors on a long list of reasons, and one of the few that the fans can actually control!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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            • #7
              Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

              well MD, fans pay the athletes millions of dollars indirectly. Which is why athletes shouldn't "boo" fans. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

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                Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

                Originally posted by sfphillyfan
                well MD, fans pay the athletes millions of dollars indirectly. Which is why athletes shouldn't "boo" fans. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
                We disagree, I don't care who pays your salary, if you think you are being disrespected you have a right to speak up. The difference is --- these guys have contracts with their acutal employers --- not the fans that watch.

                Your analogy would be great if they passed the hat at each game and then the players split the money.

                Look the fans don't pay the players any more than you pay the CEO of GE when you buy one of their products. The fans pay the Phillies, the Phillies pay the players - there is no direct coronation there.

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                  Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

                  Originally posted by MDFAN
                  Originally posted by sfphillyfan
                  well MD, fans pay the athletes millions of dollars indirectly. Which is why athletes shouldn't "boo" fans. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
                  We disagree, I don't care who pays your salary, if you think you are being disrespected you have a right to speak up. The difference is --- these guys have contracts with their acutal employers --- not the fans that watch.

                  Your analogy would be great if they passed the hat at each game and then the players split the money.

                  Look the fans don't pay the players any more than you pay the CEO of GE when you buy one of their products. The fans pay the Phillies, the Phillies pay the players - there is no direct coronation there.
                  no fans = no job
                  no products bought = no job

                  it's quite an easy analogy.

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                  • #10
                    Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

                    Originally posted by sfphillyfan
                    Originally posted by MDFAN
                    Originally posted by sfphillyfan
                    well MD, fans pay the athletes millions of dollars indirectly. Which is why athletes shouldn't "boo" fans. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
                    We disagree, I don't care who pays your salary, if you think you are being disrespected you have a right to speak up. The difference is --- these guys have contracts with their acutal employers --- not the fans that watch.

                    Your analogy would be great if they passed the hat at each game and then the players split the money.

                    Look the fans don't pay the players any more than you pay the CEO of GE when you buy one of their products. The fans pay the Phillies, the Phillies pay the players - there is no direct coronation there.
                    no fans = no job
                    no products bought = no job

                    it's quite an easy analogy.

                    Show me 1 example of a player "relieving" himself (booing), or several players spouting off that have not only caused "no fans" but even a significantly reduced number of fans for any significant period of time?

                    The players still have contracts with the owners of the teams, if not one person showed up at any game --- these guys would still get paid.

                    Even using your analogy--- if you buy a GE toaster from Best Buy and after 4 mos it doesn't "live up to your expectations" you don't get to go to the board room and "Boo" the board of GE just as you don't get to go to Best buy and harass and harang the sales clerk that sold it to you. Your options are maybe to try and get your money back and/or not to buy at Best buy or from GE ever again.

                    You indirectly pay cops --- but you don't get to critique their individual job performance, you don't go around harassing cops on a personal basis.

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                    • #11
                      Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

                      My philosphy on this has always been, the fans have a right to boo......booing does no good. I see little benefit.

                      As for the star athletes, they have the right to say whatever they want, and I have the right to say I don't like them.

                      If they want to cry about being booed, I'll make fun of them. If they say they don't like the fans...I'll probably boo them myself.

                      I'm a very simple guy......
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                      • #12
                        Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

                        Originally posted by Eagle60
                        How anybody thinks that booing a player helps is beyond me. How somebody can think that it somehow is going to "help" a player is mind boggling. People amaze me.
                        I actually don't think very many fans at all think that booing helps a player. Maybe 5-10% actually have that twisted notion. I think the rest of the people do it just because they can, for various reasons. Generally, a lot of people are just mean-spirited. Some people are just a-holes, and take it so seriously, and are just so pissed off that their team is losing that they need to take it out on someone. Some people really don't give a crap about the game or the team, and just like to yell sh!t because they think it's funny. Some people have an inferiority complex and get some pleasure out of booing someone who failed because deep down it makes them feel like they are dragging that player down - same as people who laugh at the person who is trying their hardest but fail. Lots of reasons, but generally there are just a lot of low-lifes out there with not enough to do...so they boo. Just so happens there's more of them in Philly than the average city. New York is just as bad.

                        Personally, I'm not proud of it, but I can't disagree with those who make fun of the average Philly fan. We are surrounded by a lot of idiots. They might be a loud minority, but they certainly are loud.

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                        • #13
                          Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

                          Fans have every right to boo. Whether it is helpful or not is completely irrelevant.

                          Reasons to boo:

                          1. Lack of hustle - sin #1 in Philly

                          2. Truly awful play on the field - when the Eagles have 4 straight 3 and outs, and take 20 seconds off the clock, it's time to boo.

                          3. Choke job in process - we are all too familiar with this.

                          4. Calling out the fans if you are a professional - don't bite the hand that feeds you. Pretty simple.

                          When not to boo:

                          1. When a good player has a bad stretch

                          2. When a player is playing through pain or an injury

                          3. When you realize the player just stinks and probably shouldn't be on the team except the team stinks

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                            Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

                            Originally posted by MDFAN


                            Show me 1 example of a player "relieving" himself (booing), or several players spouting off that have not only caused "no fans" but even a significantly reduced number of fans for any significant period of time?

                            The players still have contracts with the owners of the teams, if not one person showed up at any game --- these guys would still get paid.

                            Even using your analogy--- if you buy a GE toaster from Best Buy and after 4 mos it doesn't "live up to your expectations" you don't get to go to the board room and "Boo" the board of GE just as you don't get to go to Best buy and harass and harang the sales clerk that sold it to you. Your options are maybe to try and get your money back and/or not to buy at Best buy or from GE ever again.

                            You indirectly pay cops --- but you don't get to critique their individual job performance, you don't go around harassing cops on a personal basis.

                            You analogy is only apt if everyone was a season ticket holder. For the people who aren't, when you are considering going to see the Phillies or the movies and the phillies, if Rollins mouthed off, would you go see the phillies again? (buy that GE toaster?) Maybe not, unless you're a glutton for punishment.

                            With sports teams, you vote with your wallet just like everything else in life. Now, philly might be full of morons who will go see a team no matter what (especially the Eagles) but take Indiana for instance. The pacers had the league last attendance last year because the product they put on the field sucked. So people stayed away and over the offseason, the Pacers had to do something so they traded away Oneal to try to jump start that franchise (and attendance.)

                            As you're fond of saying, it's all about the money. So I don't get how you don't draw a parallel between fan attendance, revenue and player salary. In essence, fans pay the players salaries. Follow the money trail.

                            Now, with guaranteed contracts, it won't help a bit but let's say the phillies drew 5000 people a night and the tv contract is up for renewal. Do you think that the player who is up for contract renewal would mouth off to the fans? Of course not. His agent isn't stupid.

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                            • #15
                              Re: OT - Mike Schmidt on J-Roll, and Philly fans, on WIP today

                              Originally posted by sfphillyfan
                              Originally posted by MDFAN


                              Show me 1 example of a player "relieving" himself (booing), or several players spouting off that have not only caused "no fans" but even a significantly reduced number of fans for any significant period of time?

                              The players still have contracts with the owners of the teams, if not one person showed up at any game --- these guys would still get paid.

                              Even using your analogy--- if you buy a GE toaster from Best Buy and after 4 mos it doesn't "live up to your expectations" you don't get to go to the board room and "Boo" the board of GE just as you don't get to go to Best buy and harass and harang the sales clerk that sold it to you. Your options are maybe to try and get your money back and/or not to buy at Best buy or from GE ever again.

                              You indirectly pay cops --- but you don't get to critique their individual job performance, you don't go around harassing cops on a personal basis.

                              You analogy is only apt if everyone was a season ticket holder. For the people who aren't, when you are considering going to see the Phillies or the movies and the phillies, if Rollins mouthed off, would you go see the phillies again? (buy that GE toaster?) Maybe not, unless you're a glutton for punishment.

                              With sports teams, you vote with your wallet just like everything else in life. Now, philly might be full of morons who will go see a team no matter what (especially the Eagles) but take Indiana for instance. The pacers had the league last attendance last year because the product they put on the field sucked. So people stayed away and over the offseason, the Pacers had to do something so they traded away Oneal to try to jump start that franchise (and attendance.)

                              As you're fond of saying, it's all about the money. So I don't get how you don't draw a parallel between fan attendance, revenue and player salary. In essence, fans pay the players salaries. Follow the money trail.

                              Now, with guaranteed contracts, it won't help a bit but let's say the phillies drew 5000 people a night and the tv contract is up for renewal. Do you think that the player who is up for contract renewal would mouth off to the fans? Of course not. His agent isn't stupid.

                              I hear what your saying, and it is all about the money-- it always is.

                              But your talking about the perfect storm of exaggeration. Even with Indy, and I don't know the details, but I guarantee you it wasn't because a player opened his mouth to the media. C'mon get realistic. The bottom line is that in most cases, IMO, when a player mouths off about fans, half the fans agree with him and half don't and if the half that didn't stayed home their seats would be filled by many more and the waiting list would still be there. A player mouthing off isn't ever gonna be the reason a team loses money. Poor play, sky high tix prices, old and terrible facilities, no talent --- all might have a place on on that list, but bot a player opening his yap.

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