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    Bottom line, Reid laid into the team on Wednesday morning, and if you read between the lines, he might make some lineup changes (Buckhalter? Please?? Who knows, maybe he's even talking about McNabb. I had to toss that out there, just for the sake of argument. We're all talking about it already....

    *Edit: Just read someplace else, Reid dismissed a question about replacing McNabb, so it looks like that won't happen this week.

    Reid decides to rock the boat

    By Bob Ford

    Inquirer Sports Columnist

    If your only frame of reference is Public Andy, it's easy to believe that sitting in a meeting hosted by Andy Reid would be the equivalent of a mayo-on-white-bread sandwich.

    The face Reid gives the outside world - meaning anyone not employed by the Philadelphia Eagles - is of a stolid, somewhat boring administrator.

    When he adjusts the microphone in front of him at his news conference and says those magic words, "All right, injuries," he could easily be a middle manager giving his third-quarter widget report at the company conference table. "All right, sales projections."

    Reid believes the aphorisms about a steady boat sailing best and he doesn't rock things too often, even in private. He made an exception this week, though, and if you are searching for a pulse on this team, hoping for a little entertainment before the season expires, it's at least good to know the coach is as mad as you are.

    "I guess he felt his normal mild-mannered self wasn't working," linebacker Omar Gaither said. "With Coach Reid, when the volume goes up and he starts turning red, you start paying a little more attention."

    I bet you do. Reid lit into the team Wednesday at the morning meeting and let everyone know that not only was the season on the line, there were jobs on the line. Unspoken, of course, is that his will eventually be one of them if this sort of play keeps up. Long before he goes, however, a whole lot of players who disappoint him will find the door.

    Reid's address to the team was followed quickly by a players-only meeting called by safety Brian Dawkins, who is the team leader by default, even though his place on the field isn't as dominant as it once was.

    "Hopefully, everything got through," said Dawkins, who has been around too long to think meetings are a silver bullet. "We'll see. Talking only goes so far."

    It might be too little, too late, and it might be - here's the ugliest thought - that the Eagles are playing as well as they can with the talent they have. Reid doesn't buy it, though, and he put the hay down where the cows could get it, as Buddy Ryan liked to say.

    "Any time you go out and have a tie with a 1-8 team, he's not going to be happy about it," safety Quintin Mikell said. "That's what we need [to hear]. We need to get back to playing football and stop worrying about the B.S. that we can't control. Just play football. Sometimes you've just got to say what's on your mind, and he did that."

    "I think the message was received," running back Brian Westbrook said.

    Public Andy played an effective prevent defense on his emotions, as usual. He rewound the tape loop and talked about calling the right plays and putting the players in the right position to execute those plays, and so forth. He means every word of that, too, as maddening as it is to hear again and again.

    Around the edges of his statements, however, there was some emotional leakage, of the kind that veteran Reidologists are able to interpret in the way archaeologists translate faded cave drawings. He was asked about the mental state of the team and he pressed his lips together impatiently, maybe just to keep from saying what was really on his mind.

    "We're not sitting here analyzing each other's psyches on that," Reid said. "We are just trying to focus in on doing things the right way and making sure we play our best football against the Ravens. Anything else besides that, you're wasting your time."

    In other words, warm, fuzzy and nurturing got us to 5-4-1, so you can take warm, fuzzy and nurturing for a long walk. Reid was also asked if there might be lineup changes to shake things up. Sometimes you have to hang a villager to get the town's attention.

    Under normal circumstances, Reid would have said some convoluted version of "No," but he didn't. He said something that is also in his greatest hits collection, "We'll see how things work out here." In this context, it means he's not only considering demotions, but also willing to admit it. That's significant, if only to understand how surprised and angry he is about the stinking egg this team is laying.

    Reid's problem with trashing the roster, of course, is that he built it. And right now, where would you look for lineup changes?

    The defense played well enough against Cincinnati. The offense was awful, but the quarterback isn't changing and Westbrook is hurting too much to carry the ball a lot. If Correll Buckhalter gets more carries - yeah, I know, a wild thought - that's no knock on anyone else. You could not dress one of the receivers, but that would leave the special teams short. You could tinker with the offensive line, but, frankly, that means demoting Max Jean-Gilles and it's not as if the Eagles have Jerry Kramer sitting behind him.

    There isn't a whole lot to do aside from scream at them, get red in the face, and demand they do better. That's what the fans are doing at home in front of their televisions, and apparently the coach feels the same way.

    "It's like a kid who isn't getting good grades," Gaither said. "He said, 'You're better than this. What's going on?' The volume went up and the words hit home."

    Now we find out if the volume and the words still matter, because that's really the last card Reid had to play this season.
    "Philly fans are great....It's the only place where you pull up on the bus and you've got the grandfather, the grandmother, the kids and the grandkids - everybody flicking you off. At other stadiums, they give you the thumbs-down. Here, they give you the middle finger.”
    — Michael Strahan

    "No one likes us, no one likes us, no one likes us, we don’t care, we’re from Philly, F—-ing Philly, No one likes us, we don’t care!”
    - Jason Kelce with the best championship speech ever

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    Re: Ford | Reid decides to rock the boat

    Too litle too late? Perhaps. But it needed to be done. Reid also has to take a HARD look at what HE is doing, and make some changes there. Hell, make changes for the sake of making changes. Do something DIFFERENT! What do you have to lose? I dunno, use Bucky more, use Baskett in your TE position, stick with the run even when it struggles early, just break your tendencies. If McNabb is struggling early finding and hitting targets, PULL HIS ASS! NO ONE is above the team, and no one's position should be safe. Talk about sending a message........
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    • #3
      Re: Ford | Reid decides to rock the boat

      One thing I've noticed - Reggie Brown's butt on the bench. He personifies a lot of what's going on. A very laid back average performer being paid good money to do basically nothing.

      What about benching Herremans or Jackson? Both those guys aren't blocking worth a darn.
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      • #4
        Re: Ford | Reid decides to rock the boat

        I have to agree BP. Bench Jackson. Bench LJ. Move Baskett to TE in some capacity. Dont dress 6 WR and bring up Eckel or Collins from the practice squad. Let Klecko be a two way player if need be but he should be playing DT. Stop scripting the 1st fifteen plays and TRY to make some in game adjustments. Defensively push the fucking envelope. Blitz the hell out of Flacco. Play Jordan and Mays some to see what they can do. Find a spot for Demps. If Lito wants to sulk his way out of town then so be it. Play Demps in his spot or move Hanson to the 3rd DB.

        The funny part is at 5-4-1 they can still make the playoffs. But they dont seem to want it. Well Andy MAKE THEM!
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        • #5
          Re: Ford | Reid decides to rock the boat

          Did anyone give Andy the business?
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          • #6
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            I wonder what lineup moves could be possible.

            OL change? That would mean Nick Cole in the lineup, I'm not sure if that's an improvement. Wonder how Mike McGlynn is looking, this is the time of the year where Reid starts working in rookies a lot more. I don't see a change here.

            Celek at TE? Seems like the most likely place to make a change. (And by the way, it's not going to be Baskett. A bad idea, and I'm the one who came up with it in the first place. Baskett's a great blocking WR, but he can't handle LB and DE's all day.)

            WR change? Not really much to change - we're sort of running a five-guy rotation right now. And it's actually a fairly effective one, I think.

            DL? the guy who could really push for more playing time here is Abiamiri. Seems like he's played mostly DT so far but maybe he starts working in more at both DT and DE. Will Bryan Smith be activated? Again, it's that point in the season.

            LB - Gocong is the weak link here, but no LB on the bench is a good fit for his position. Do they want to move Bradley out of position for Mays?

            CB - the only change here would be to give Lito even less time on the field.

            S - That brings us to Dawkins. As much as it pains me to say it, he may be the biggest defensive liability on the field. (It's either him or Gocong) But again, there's no option on the bench that would be better right now. Maybe Demps is starting to put it together but I doubt even the cold-blooded Reid would bench Dawk in midseason, especially for Considine or Demps.

            I think Celek and Abiamiri are the biggest threats to see a lot more PT going forward, followed by Mays and Demps.

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            • #7
              Re: Ford | Reid decides to rock the boat

              Reid made a remark a week or two ago about playing LJ instead of Celek because he feels that LJ demands more attention. I assume the same flawed thought process is applied to Westbrook. Instead of putting the player out there who has the best chance of performing well, he puts the player out there who he feels has the best reputation as a weapon.

              It kind of explains to me why he left McNabb play over the years when he is only able to play at about 40% of his ability. He puts more value on a players reputation than on his production potential. He's too focused on being clever to focus on execution.

              The difference between the best player at a position and the backup is usually less than 10%. So why not use the backup when the starter has lost more than 20% of their effectiveness due to injuries?

              I think that if Reid were more willing to use his backups when his starters were hurt, he'd probably have a much better record. I don't think yelling for someone to run harder when they can barely walk is the answer.

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              • #8
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                Baskett needs to play more..the team does better when he is on the field. Would like to see more of Abiamiri and Clemons...the problem is Donovan won't make the one lineup change that may be the most necessary...QB. I hope he will at least make the switch if we are out of it. His job may ride on Kolb getting in there and looking good, which would make me think that he might have to see time vs. Arizona or vs. Cleveland. Don't want to start him in the divisional games as his first game. Mcnabb may take Reid down with him, or vice versa, so if Kolb comes in and looks good more people will start to blame things on Mcnabb and not Reid. If Kolb looks bad, then it is a double whammy on Reid, since he drafted him and the personnel is just not good enough with either QB.

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                • #9
                  Re: Ford | Reid decides to rock the boat

                  Originally posted by bullwinkle
                  Reid made a remark a week or two ago about playing LJ instead of Celek because he feels that LJ demands more attention. I assume the same flawed thought process is applied to Westbrook. Instead of putting the player out there who has the best chance of performing well, he puts the player out there who he feels has the best reputation as a weapon.

                  It kind of explains to me why he left McNabb play over the years when he is only able to play at about 40% of his ability. He puts more value on a players reputation than on his production potential. He's too focused on being clever to focus on execution.

                  The difference between the best player at a position and the backup is usually less than 10%. So why not use the backup when the starter has lost more than 20% of their effectiveness due to injuries?

                  I think that if Reid were more willing to use his backups when his starters were hurt, he'd probably have a much better record. I don't think yelling for someone to run harder when they can barely walk is the answer.
                  Well I'm not sure I agree with your 10% and 20% numbers, but even putting that aside, you've got to keep in mind that Reid is coaching human beings, not Madden players. How many coaches jerk their highly-paid starting QB in and out of the lineup because they're at 80%? You can't play games like that with your veteran players without consequences. And Westbrook absolutely, positively draws a great deal of defensive attention every time he's on the field. LJ? Not so much, but I think that was just Reid sticking up for his veteran in front of the press. We'll see what happens there. Like I mentioned upthread the most obvious place to make a change in the starting lineup is at TE.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Ford | Reid decides to rock the boat

                    Being that Andy Reid rarely does anything exciting, I think he is going to put Considine back in as a starter.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Ford | Reid decides to rock the boat

                      If DMac has another game with a 50% completion rate, expect a quick hook to Kolb the following week, whether we have a running game or not.

                      Westbrook, again, missed practice because of inflammation in his knee and ankle, and has missed practice all week. He's questionable for Sunday. I hope that they're using every rep they can for Buckhalter, then.

                      More from PE.com:
                      Offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg has lamented the absence of Buckhalter as of late, and Reid admitted Friday that, regardless of Westbrook's status, Buckhalter should see more touches.

                      Despite making the occasional big play when he gets the ball, Buckhalter has combined for just seven touches in the last three games. But with those touches, Buckhalter has gained 76 yards – nearly 11 per touch. He gained 44 yards on one catch in Cincinnati last week.

                      "Correll will have an opportunity to play. We probably could have played him more last week and probably should have. That's my responsibility and he'll get a few more opportunities this week," Reid said. "He's a good football player, I think we all know that. Every time he's had an opportunity to start, he's had big days."

                      Reid also said that the upcoming short week before a Thanksgiving matchup with Arizona did not affect his game plan, nor the status of Westbrook, who is "going to go" if he's able.
                      "Philly fans are great....It's the only place where you pull up on the bus and you've got the grandfather, the grandmother, the kids and the grandkids - everybody flicking you off. At other stadiums, they give you the thumbs-down. Here, they give you the middle finger.”
                      — Michael Strahan

                      "No one likes us, no one likes us, no one likes us, we don’t care, we’re from Philly, F—-ing Philly, No one likes us, we don’t care!”
                      - Jason Kelce with the best championship speech ever

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                      • #12
                        Re: Ford | Reid decides to rock the boat

                        Originally posted by balto-eaglefan
                        If DMac has another game with a 50% completion rate, expect a quick hook to Kolb the following week, whether we have a running game or not.

                        I dont think either of these things will happen.

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by WCPhan
                          Being that Andy Reid rarely does anything exciting, I think he is going to put Considine back in as a starter.
                          Hahaha...That would be funny.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Ford | Reid decides to rock the boat

                            Originally posted by IMK
                            I wonder what lineup moves could be possible.

                            OL change? That would mean Nick Cole in the lineup, I'm not sure if that's an improvement. Wonder how Mike McGlynn is looking, this is the time of the year where Reid starts working in rookies a lot more. I don't see a change here.

                            Celek at TE? Seems like the most likely place to make a change. (And by the way, it's not going to be Baskett. A bad idea, and I'm the one who came up with it in the first place. Baskett's a great blocking WR, but he can't handle LB and DE's all day.)

                            WR change? Not really much to change - we're sort of running a five-guy rotation right now. And it's actually a fairly effective one, I think.

                            DL? the guy who could really push for more playing time here is Abiamiri. Seems like he's played mostly DT so far but maybe he starts working in more at both DT and DE. Will Bryan Smith be activated? Again, it's that point in the season.

                            LB - Gocong is the weak link here, but no LB on the bench is a good fit for his position. Do they want to move Bradley out of position for Mays?

                            CB - the only change here would be to give Lito even less time on the field.

                            S - That brings us to Dawkins. As much as it pains me to say it, he may be the biggest defensive liability on the field. (It's either him or Gocong) But again, there's no option on the bench that would be better right now. Maybe Demps is starting to put it together but I doubt even the cold-blooded Reid would bench Dawk in midseason, especially for Considine or Demps.

                            I think Celek and Abiamiri are the biggest threats to see a lot more PT going forward, followed by Mays and Demps.
                            That's what I was thinking. Changes need to be made, but sticking with the this-team-is-very-mediocre-from-top-to-bottom theory, it's hard to replace medicre players with other mediocre players and expect much difference.

                            The only changes I could see being made at this point are...

                            > Celek for Smith which seems like a no-brainer at this point

                            > Stop playing Brown over Jackson, but even Jackson has admitted he's hit a bit of a rookie wall, so I'm almost OK with them splitting some time. Maybe let Baskett play more over Brown?

                            > Maybe giving more time to Abirimiri and Laws....Just to see what you have more than anything. Not sure this really makes a big improvement at this point.

                            > I smell more Joselio Hanson in some fashion. Hanson still scares me for some reason. Again, woo-hoo, big improvement there in whatever additional capacity he gets to fill.

                            > As IMK pointed out, the biggest place an imrpovement could be made is SAM, but who do you put there?

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                            • #15
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                              I we need a playmaker, get Demps on the field. The guy was a pick-magnet ball hawk, is obviously a hard-nosed guy and has opened eyes already as a returner. This was one of the picks I was most excited about from the draft, and I want to see him on the field more.
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