PFW Article On A Possible Scenario For Eagles FO/Reid

[ThoughtProcess]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NF ... 120408.htm

Speculative, and nothing too different from what some other said here but still interesting IMO.

"...Few are talking about it now, but assuming the Eagles fall short of the playoffs, the organization could undergo a shakeup that could involve the coaching staff and the personnel department..."

[balto-eaglefan]

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The team could look at vice president of player personnel Howie Roseman, who was promoted in May, and college scouting director Ryan Grigson to have more say on personnel matters.

At least Grigson has something of a football background......but Howie?

[Eaglebreath]

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At the very least, I think Reid needs to give up the FO job, and coach. Look around the league, and see how many guys have been successful wearing both hats. Holmgren couldn't do it in Seattle. I don't think Shannahan has done a very good job either. These are talented people, obviously, but the fact of the matter is that coaching, or being a GM is a full time gig. It's just too much for one guy to do both. That statement that the team has regressed since Modrak left is telling. Reid hasn't been doing a good job of coaching for the last couple of seasons either. I feel that he's regressed in that area, and he needs to focus soley on coaching the team.

I'm also not very optimistic about Roseman either. I've got a feeling that the team is headed for the crapper. Hope I'm wrong about that.

[Vote for Kalas]

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It is not totally necessary for talent evaluators to have played football. It is not rocket science; smart people with experience in football management can learn what is important and do well. Plus it can be good to have new perspective since they have not been inculcated with some of the game's myths.

I would not be surprised at all if there is a shakeup. I agree Reid needs to be the HC only and a GM brought in who can either work with Heckert or work alone to handle the talent evaluation and acquisition. Obviously, Reid will still have alot of input, but the GM should have the final call. Banner & Howie are going to be involved too, but again the GM should have the authority to make the final call.

[Eagle60]

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There is no question that this FO misses Tom Modrack. The problem was that Modrack was a man's man and couldn't deal with with the likes of The Weasle.

[FRESH]

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I was having a converstion with a Giants fan today, and even he was telling me that we need to get rid of Reid. LOL! Even our rivals feel bad for us!

Look, Reid is a good guy. He is detailed, stable and steady. I like that he is part of this organization. But which part? Perhaps we are looking at this the wrong way. With his traits you might say that he'd be a better GM than coach. And I could support that. However I fear that he would simply appoint a similar minded "yes man" (Like Marty Moose) to coach the team, and nothing would really change.

Anyway, I agree that change is needed. However I am not at all settled on what that change needs to be.

[beagle]

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I was having a converstion with a Giants fan today, and even he was telling me that we need to get rid of Reid. LOL! Even our rivals feel bad for us!

Look, Reid is a good guy. He is detailed, stable and steady. I like that he is part of this organization. But which part? Perhaps we are looking at this the wrong way. With his traits you might say that he'd be a better GM than coach. And I could support that. However I fear that he would simply appoint a similar minded "yes man" (Like Marty Moose) to coach the team, and nothing would really change.

Anyway, I agree that change is needed. However I am not at all settled on what that change needs to be.

Interesting coming from a Giants fan when 2 years ago they and the media were calling for Tom Coughlin's firing. Now Coughlin looks like the genius of the NFL.

[FRESH]

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Difference there is, Coughlin had been there a comparatively short time, and had not give the Giants the amount of success that Andy has with the Iggs. IOW, a shorter leash.

[Vote for Kalas]

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There is no question that this FO misses Tom Modrack. The problem was that Modrack was a man's man and couldn't deal with with the likes of The Weasle.

I think the last few drafts with Reid/Heckert have been pretty good getting guys like Patterson, Bunk, Jackson, Bradley, Gaither, Demps, Celek, Cole, Herremans, Abiamiri etc. There have been mistakes too as with any draft, but I am not convinced Modrack had such superior skills that we miss. And, despite Banner's flaws, he has done alot for this organization and certainly deserves being here.

[Leonard Tose]

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There is no question that this FO misses Tom Modrack. The problem was that Modrack was a man's man and couldn't deal with with the likes of The Weasle.

I think the last few drafts with Reid/Heckert have been pretty good getting guys like Patterson, Bunk, Jackson, Bradley, Gaither, Demps, Celek, Cole, Herremans, Abiamiri etc. There have been mistakes too as with any draft, but I am not convinced Modrack had such superior skills that we miss. And, despite Banner's flaws, he has done alot for this organization and certainly deserves being here.

I'm not sure Modrak would have made a huge difference -- remember, he reportedly wanted Akili Smith.

However, having someone like Modrak -- a strong personnel guy with reasonably equal power to Reid -- is something the Eagles need, IMO.

Right now they've got Heckert, who appears very weak and is being undermined by Banner and Howie from Brooklyn, who are taking on more personnel duty. Banner and Howie have a role in the organization, I agree, VFK, but they should not be allowed to have a say in personnel decisions. They should stick with contracts and cap stuff.

[stocknowledge]

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IMO, coaching is Andy's weakest area. His offense is stale and predictable. He has never been good at controlling a game. After ten years, he still cannot manage the last two minutes of halves. And, he seems totally lost when it comes to challenging play calls. He may be great at behind-the-scenes coaching, but he sucks on the sideline.

So, if his duties are restricted, I hope that they are limited to FO organizational work - similar to what Parcells is doing in Miami. He should be a GM, president of football operations, or a managerial coordinator/asst to Lurie.

[Eagle60]

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IMO, coaching is Andy's weakest area. His offense is stale and predictable. He has never been good at controlling a game. After ten years, he still cannot manage the last two minutes of halves. And, he seems totally lost when it comes to challenging play calls. He may be great at behind-the-scenes coaching, but he sucks on the sideline.

So, if his duties are restricted, I hope that they are limited to FO organizational work - similar to what Parcells is doing in Miami. He should be a GM, president of football operations, or a managerial coordinator/asst to Lurie.

I might also point out that after 10 years you would think the offense would be in the hands of your QB! And what happened to the no huddle offense we ran earlier in the year with success?

[WCPhan]

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So, if his duties are restricted, I hope that they are limited to FO organizational work - similar to what Parcells is doing in Miami. He should be a GM, president of football operations, or a managerial coordinator/asst to Lurie.

And that job, unfortunately, is Joe Banner's.

Which I think is why this off-season will be on of the busiest in years.

[Eagle60]

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So, if his duties are restricted, I hope that they are limited to FO organizational work - similar to what Parcells is doing in Miami. He should be a GM, president of football operations, or a managerial coordinator/asst to Lurie.

And that job, unfortunately, is Joe Banner's.

Which I think is why this off-season will be on of the busiest in years.

Doing what WC? Scrounging the bottom of the barrel FAs as usual? Banner already said yesterday how conservative they were going to be because of the economy. For every Kleco they have found, there are at least 5 busts. It sounded to me like there would be no more Samuels like last year.

[Vote for Kalas]

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[quote=Leonard Tose]

There is no question that this FO misses Tom Modrack. The problem was that Modrack was a man's man and couldn't deal with with the likes of The Weasle.

I think the last few drafts with Reid/Heckert have been pretty good getting guys like Patterson, Bunk, Jackson, Bradley, Gaither, Demps, Celek, Cole, Herremans, Abiamiri etc. There have been mistakes too as with any draft, but I am not convinced Modrack had such superior skills that we miss. And, despite Banner's flaws, he has done alot for this organization and certainly deserves being here.

I'm not sure Modrak would have made a huge difference -- remember, he reportedly wanted Akili Smith.

However, having someone like Modrak -- a strong personnel guy with reasonably equal power to Reid -- is something the Eagles need, IMO.

Right now they've got Heckert, who appears very weak and is being undermined by Banner and Howie from Brooklyn, who are taking on more personnel duty. Banner and Howie have a role in the organization, I agree, VFK, but they should not be allowed to have a say in personnel decisions. They should stick with contracts and cap stuff.[/quote:7c696]

How do you handle contracts and cap issues without having input in the personnel decisions? They are totally linked and weaved together. Every business gives their high level financial people a seat at the table for personnel decisions; they would be idiotic not to since the finances i.e. the cap and contract issues are vital to the business's health. To expect those people to simply report the "numbers" and not have a vested interest (or the owners ear) in the decisions is off-base.

The issue is who Lurie designates as having the final call in personnel decisions. Most business owners allow all parties to give their input, but designate themselves or one of the parties as the final decision maker. Previously, that had appeared to be Reid. Recently, however, it seems the structure has been altered slightly and Banner has seemingly achieved more authority. Does that give him the final call? I do not think so, I think Reid still has that authority, but he may need to heed Banner more than before especially since the team is no longer winning every year.